666 nautical miles between the Kaaba and Jerusalem

[Onoma]

Lol at the " rube goldberg " reference { I love him }

Good thing I actually know what I am talking about { as much as the truth seems to upset people }

It { mathematical astronomy } far predates the Kaabah and Islam


Let's start here, the basis of the much later " sabbatical goat "

Also, no answer for my question on the sura ?

The " beast from the earth " ?

Geez, it's right there in Genesis 1:1 in " the earth "

The sofit Tsadde

The " righteous one " { Strong's Hebrew 6666 }






I'm so glad i could help educate you guys , this is an awesome forum

 

[Jumi]

The pentagram with goatface and hebrew letters arranged like this is 20th century. It doesn't date to Sumer or Egypt. It's quite misleading to use such a picture. We don't use the flag of modern Egypt when talking about ancient Egypt either.

 

[gnostic]

The pentagram with goatface and hebrew letters arranged like this is 20th century. It doesn't date to Sumer or Egypt. It's quite misleading to use such a picture. We don't use the flag of modern Egypt when talking about ancient Egypt either.

I didn't know that, but I did suspect that the symbols of the goat (or any face of animals for that matter) didn't belong in the pentagram of ancient Sumer or Egypt.

And it is stupid if the pentegram did belong to Sumer or Egypt, why on bloody earth would it have Hebrew scripts! Wouldn't it make more sense for these images have Sumerian cuneiform or Egyptian hieroglyphs, instead?

I think it is silly modern pagans who liked to mix symbols up.

 

[rosends]

Strong's Hebrew 6666 is "tzedakah" (charity or righteousness). The Hebrew letter you reference is not the "soffit tsadde" but the tzadi sofit which is unrelated to the word "tzadik" until the Yiddish influence on the pronunciation of the Hebrew alphabet developed and the letter adopted the name "tzadik".

 

[peacecrusader888]

" How often do you think we would find combinations with interesting results based on random chance alone ? "

Well, first off " interesting ' is a subjective term, and unless you have training in mathematics, talking about " interesting math " is pointless, because 99% of what people find " interesting " about mathematics, is actually trivial { in the strict mathematical sense of the defined word " trivial " } and not " interesting " at all to a trained mathematician

Your question is of a combinatoric nature and to really answer it you would have to formulate in a more clear manner { it's a very vague question } that could be plugged into existing formulas to easily answer it

You said that the distance between the Kaaba in Saudi Arabia and Jerusalem in Israel is about 666 nautical miles. Found in the Holy Bible in Revelation 13:18 is 666. What can you say about 888, the number of Jesus?

 

[Milton Platt]

This has been pointed out numerous times by numerous people in the past few years

Several " refutations " of the apparent significance of this include:

~ Nautical miles weren't a unit until quite recently
~ Nobody knows the precise location of the original Kaaba or supposed wall of Solomon's Temple, or even if it was part of Solomon's temple, or another structure
~ " numerology " is for fools

Now, I'm not trying to rub anything in here, or troll anybody like a jerk, but the last thread I posted it turned out that after the mocking ran out of gas, people who knew it all already, didn't know the most basic of topics { education in metrology, history of mathematics and mathematical astronomy and " numerology / gematria ", Mesopotamian history, etc } so I have decided that obviously I bored people to death and there is no point in going further { unless you are interested of course ..... }

What I am interested in, however, is what the masses { you } have to say about this distance between the two holy sites

Most often you will hear the stereotypical explanations for ' the devil ' { please read links in red below, for the sake of the discussion at least ]

Mind you I am not the type of person who thinks the " devil " is a little red guy with horns, or that the president of the United States is a holographic inter-dimensional Jewish moon lizard but rather that this comes from the Levite " scapegoat " ritual

in which a red ribbon was tied to the goats horns { for which exist several explanations according to traditional literature }, having roots in Canaanite religion { or possibly others }

...anyway, not to get too far off track here, I want to hear what you think about think about this

In other words,

Why does it look like somebody left the area of " Solomon's temple " in Jerusalem, traveling a distance in units that is based on Sumerian mathematics referencing a highly precise mathematical system of astronomy, in a direction that can only accurately be determined by a type of map that supposedly was not invented until thousands of years after Sumerian mathematical astronomers in Uruk, and built a structure that is based on mathematical astronomy, including it's minor and major axis [ the Kaaba } which reference the axial tilt of the earth { 66.6 degrees from the ecliptic } ?

Or for that matter, anything from anybody in any system of belief or religions who has anything interesting to add

Thanks

I can't figure out for the life of me why any of this stuff matters in the least.

"people who knew it all already, didn't know the most basic of topics { education in metrology, history of mathematics and mathematical astronomy and " numerology / gematria ", Mesopotamian history, etc }
These aren't "basic" topics.

 

[gnostic]

You said that the distance between the Kaaba in Saudi Arabia and Jerusalem in Israel is about 666 nautical miles. Found in the Holy Bible in Revelation 13:18 is 666. What can you say about 888, the number of Jesus?

Jesus has a number?

I will see if I can text him, and perhaps sending him images of funny cat photos.

 

[Ouroboros]

Wasn't there a discovery a few years ago of a fragment of Revelations with 616? And this manuscript/fragment is the oldest one? Then 666 has no meaning.

 

[peacecrusader888]

Jesus has a number?

I will see if I can text him, and perhaps sending him images of funny cat photos.

Yes, He has. It is 888, somewhat like 666 and not 616..

 

[gnostic]

Yes, He has. It is 888, somewhat like 666 and not 616..

Hey, I don't want to send pics of cat to the Beast, because he eat cats for breakfast.

Mean, beast. Mean!

 

[peacecrusader888]

Wasn't there a discovery a few years ago of a fragment of Revelations with 616? And this manuscript/fragment is the oldest one? Then 666 has no meaning.

Revelation 13:18 states: "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred three scores and six." It is spelled out. Show that 616 is the number in Revelation.

 

[peacecrusader888]

The Arabic Numerals System was not used yet during the time of Jesus. The number 8 did not even look like 8 now. The Romans were in control of Jerusalem and the Roman Numeral System was used. 888 was represented in this numeral system as DCCCLXXXVIII,

 

[Ouroboros]

Revelation 13:18 states: "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred three scores and six." It is spelled out. Show that 616 is the number in Revelation.

You're looking at a translation of Greek. It wasn't written in English.

There are several hundred different manuscripts and fragments from Revelations. Some of them have χξϛ (666), some ἑξακόσιοι ἑξήκοντα ἕξ, hexakósioi hexēkonta héx, (six hundred and sixty-six), and some χιϛʹ (616). And I think the oldest manuscript/fragment we have says χιϛʹ (616).

Here's some more to read about it: http://www.religionnewsblog.com/11134/beasts-real-mark-devalued-to-616

 

[Ouroboros]

The Arabic Numerals System was not used yet during the time of Jesus. The number 8 did not even look like 8 now. The Romans were in control of Jerusalem and the Roman Numeral System was used. 888 was represented in this numeral system as DCCCLXXXVIII,

Correct. And the New Testament wasn't written in Latin even. It was written in Koine Greek (if I'm not mistaken). Hence words like "hex" was written in Revelations to represent the number six.

It's from Greek that we have terms like hexadecimal (six-tens, a numerical system used in computer science with base 16), or hexagon (a six edged polygon), etc. Decade comes from deka which means ten in old Greek, and so on.

 

[peacecrusader888]

The Arabic Numerals System was not used yet during the time of Jesus. The number 8 did not even look like 8 now. The Romans were in control of Jerusalem and the Roman Numeral System was used. 888 was represented in this numeral system as DCCCLXXXVIII,

It would need two different numeral systems and fifteen centuries apart before this amazing revelation of 888 would be discovered in the Arabic Numeral System. And it would be another eight centuries later before the number of Jesus and the crucifixion would be manifested and confirmed--in humble post office boxes!

 

[Onoma]

Your arguments about whether it is 616 or 666 are moot

616 is not a term used in mathematical astronomy

In fact, the manuscript that contains the number 616 was a scrap off a trash heap

But, if you really want to know for certain, learn some astronomy

Kepler is a good place to start, as European mathematicians were rather simple minded compared to mathematical astronomers in Sumer

Raise the length of the period of any orbital body to the power of .616 or raise it to the power of .666...

Maybe start by taking the cube root of the length of the precession of the equinoxes, then after you've noticed this is the length of the synodic lunar month , try raising it to the power { your choice...616 or .666... }, explain why you are looking at the approximate length of the " Metonic cycle "

smh

You guys must just be too smart for me

 

[Onoma]

The pentagram with goatface and hebrew letters arranged like this is 20th century. It doesn't date to Sumer or Egypt. It's quite misleading to use such a picture. We don't use the flag of modern Egypt when talking about ancient Egypt either.

Wow,. that's absolutely brilliant

Are you going to tell what else I already know ?

 

[jeager106]

Methinks Jumi was just trying to be helpful.

 

[Ouroboros]

Your arguments about whether it is 616 or 666 are moot

616 is not a term used in mathematical astronomy

Ah. So 666 from the Bible has nothing to do with it.

In fact, the manuscript that contains the number 616 was a scrap off a trash heap

Uh. Oxford University is a trash heap. Ok...

Besides, there are several sources and fragments, not just one. Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus, Latin version of Tyconius, ancient Armenian version, even Irenaeus knew about the 616 reading but didn't adopt it. And there are more. The oldest one we have was found at a museum at Oxford University.

Trash heap... year, right.

But, if you really want to know for certain, learn some astronomy

I have. Just finished one class in it two weeks ago. Got an A.

Kepler is a good place to start, as European mathematicians were rather simple minded compared to mathematical astronomers in Sumer

Raise the length of the period of any orbital body to the power of .616 or raise it to the power of .666...

Maybe start by taking the cube root of the length of the precession of the equinoxes, then after you've noticed this is the length of the synodic lunar month , try raising it to the power { your choice...616 or .666... }, explain why you are looking at the approximate length of the " Metonic cycle "

Math is a language, and just like in any language you can make puns and word play. All what you're showing is number play. But constructing, moving, changing, and manipulating the numbers, you can get anything you want.

smh

You guys must just be too smart for me

Or maybe you're just have a fixation on the mysteries of numbers and try too hard to make things fit.

As an example, I'm sure over the years that one or another post I've made had exactly 666 letters in them. I could handpick those posts and then start drawing concepts and mathematical ideas from it and construct the wildest theories. But it's all just a game with numbers.

Put it this way... it doesn't mean anything.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

What I am interested in, however, is what the masses { you } have to say about this distance between the two holy sites

Depending on how you define a given unit of measurement, there can always be 666 of said units of that defined measurement between any 2 points that you wish to establish.

Mathematical coincidence. Nothing more. About the same as my numbers ..... 15-12-37-48-64 / 17 being the next powerball winner. It could happen ... but if it does happen, it proves nothing except, by happenstance, 15-12-37-48-64 / 17 was the next powerball winning numbers.