666 nautical miles between the Kaaba and Jerusalem

[rosends]

I explained the shinshin once already, you still haven't read the link which is short, and if Gematria could be accomplished by using any numbers that add up to the desired number, they could never be decoded. And yes the DNA tests were limited due to bone fragments being lost or intermixed, and the only thing that was proven is that Jesus and Mariamne were not related. They're preparing a new DNA test that will use a get set in the ossuaries that will be able to extract DNA for testing. We'll see what happens including who tries to block them, and especially those who want to do the test.

If you are referring to that "Tarsus is 666" site, I read it before I responded to your first post. It has all the same errors as the ones your post has, and more. And yes, gematria can be "accomplished" (?) by using any letters that add up to the desired number. It always has been. You really shouldn't try to explain gematria to someone who has studied with it as an aid for 35 years (while I read the bal haturim for the first time in high school, we used gematria in elementary school).

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

If you are referring to that "Tarsus is 666" site, I read it before I responded to your first post. It has all the same errors as the ones your post has, and more. And yes, gematria can be "accomplished" (?) by using any letters that add up to the desired number. It always has been. You really shouldn't try to explain gematria to someone who has studied with it as an aid for 35 years (while I read the bal haturim for the first time in high school, we used gematria in elementary school).

Well then Tav-Resh-Samekh-Vav (or waw, sometimes used as a vowel u) equals TRSU..

 

[rosends]

Well then Tav-Resh-Samekh-Vav (or waw, sometimes used as a vowel u) equals TRSU..

Yes, you started with this. But Taf-resh-samech-vav doesn't exist as a place or as a spelling in Hebrew.

For the same sound, Taf-resh-sin would work and be precedented.

And a little piece of info -- when using the vav as a vowel, the sound could be the long O sound, so deciding that TRS-vav is TRSU and not TRSO is arbitrary as well.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Yes, you started with this. But Taf-resh-samech-vav doesn't exist as a place or as a spelling in Hebrew.

For the same sound, Taf-resh-sin would work and be precedented.

And a little piece of info -- when using the vav as a vowel, the sound could be the long O sound, so deciding that TRS-vav is TRSU and not TRSO is arbitrary as well.

I've read that it can also be " U". We're talking about something similar to license plate abbreviations so the possibility of there being any Truth to see here is astronomical. So.....Sleep tight.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

there's nothing unscientific about it, and there's no woo numerology { although feel free to try and explain where " numerology / gematria " originates, you'll find you end up in ancient Sumer }

And base 60 mathematics in the ancient world was quite mathematically rigorous as units like nautical miles were fundamental to ancient metrology

Feel free to prove me wrong

gematria; annoying isn't?

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

Lol, just a day or two ago you were trying to make me look like a fool for even mentioning such a thing, before you knew I study math { pretty much for a living, actually }

My only intent here is to help people shed misconceptions they have about their religions

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The relevance of my posting ?

OK..., let's address the sura I posted, shall we ?

sura 27 (An-Naml),

" And when the Word is fulfilled against them (the unjust), we shall produce from the earth a beast to (face) them: He will speak to them, for that mankind did not believe with assurance in Our Signs "

— Qur'an



signs

See how the below panel shows you the math that is required for the " signs " { in the sky }

Good, I'm glad you see that, here's why:


The 666th letter in the Torah is the Vav in the word " seasons " in Genesis 1:14

" And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:


We have " seasons " because of what ?

" For seasons and for signs " ~ Genesis 1:14

" He will speak to them, for that mankind did not believe with assurance in Our Signs " ~ sura 27 (An-Naml)



This is, of course, based on some mathematical structure discovered in the ancient world { This thread subject is actually tied into my other thread }


The whole reason they are talking about " signs in the sky "

, again, not trying to be rude, but you guys seem not to be paying attention to what I am saying or presenting, so I will only repeat myself a limited number of times


As I mentioned in the other thread, ancient mathematical astronomers discovered this set of structures in the digits of Pi

Here I have prepared a very simple proof of this { anybody with the math skills of a grade schooler can grasp this }

Note the congruence to the classical eclipse year equation ?

This , above, was the basis of the " seven day " creation account { and all ancient metrology }, it was not some willy nilly chosen system

Point here ?

Abraham supposedly built the Kaaba

Abraham was supposedly from Ur { Of the Chaldees }

He was was, according to tradition, educated in the exact subjects presented on this thread { mathematical astronomy }

Regardless of whether he was even a real person, or whether or not he was responsible for the building of the original Kaaba, the Chaldeans are well known to have been rigorous astronomers in Babylonia and everything presented on this thread is the exact same things that they would have known, including axial tilt, nautical miles, Saros eclipse cycles, intercalation, etc

Is there something unclear about what I am presenting ?

The Quran and the Bible both speak of a " beast from the earth "

Do you happen to know where the first " earth " is in the Bible ?

...just curious

I thought that was herod's stone not something really I would be after.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

I mean, after all, " signs " are what the Bible also says will occur { in the sky } , and if you examine the mathematical basis for gematria { as per my earlier statements }

You find that the mathematics of what you call ' numerology ' is based on just that

the math required to describe the " signs in the sky "

this is the reasoning behind the use of " numerology " in the Bible

You know even Isaac Newton couldn't discover what you are looking at ?

Yupe pretty much why I hated this.
cern ZZ?

 

[viole]

This has been pointed out numerous times by numerous people in the past few years

And? Does that deserve a refutation?

My car has also 700 on its number plate. i doubt that would entail that I am the anti-James Bond

Ciao

- viole

 

[Milton Platt]

And? Does that deserve a refutation?

My car has also 700 on its number plate. i doubt that would entail that I am the anti-James Bond

Ciao

- viole

Thank you.....this whole thread deserves a resounding "so what????" The distance between Jerusalem and Kaaba is a moving target. Even if it matterd for some reason It doesn't) that diatance could be measured in different ways. Why pick nautical miles? Because it simply suits your purpose? Where are you taking your measurements from? I doubt it is exactly 666 nautical miles....do you measure from city center? From the walls of the old city? From the current city limits? The whole thing is preposterous.

Update: Google maps says it is 1478 kilometers between the two cities. That works out to 798.056156 nautical miles. Busted!

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

Exactly, and without the vowel (a) not used in Hebrew, the Hebrew the Greek name, Tarsus is TRSU, like the English translation or name for Yeshua is Jesus.

Tarsus is the Greek pronunciation and the Hebrew or Aramaic pronunciation would have been Tarsu, which would be spelled TRSU using the English equivalents of the Hebrew letters. When using Gematria which assigns a number to each letter it equals 666.

T=Tav
R=Resh
S=Samech
U=Waw

ת"רסו

T=400
R=200
S=60
U/V=6

666

My first question when I saw this was, isn't there a letter for "600"? No, they just combine the letters for 100 through 400 for 500-900.

This is a more complete explanation. http://www.justgivemethetruth.com/tarsus_is_666.htm
It's copied from a modern Ebionite site which I've referred to for many years, but is listed as temporarily unavailable. Ebionites, btw, are Jewish believers that Jesus was the messiah, but not divine, born of a virgin and all that other pagan stuff.

There's another clue behind six-hundred, threescore and six. That exact number is used twice in the O/T for the number of talents of gold that came to Solomon in one year. It's a symbol of great wealth, and Paul as a Herodian and Roman citizen had to be very wealthy--something he would certainly have kept from becoming common knowledge. Once it became known, in the Temple riot in Acts, he was never among the Jews again. It could even have been the actual reason for the riot.

this one; I have to disagree I even think the poster's argument to mecca is better.
Besides the stone in mecca came from the herodian stone.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

This has been pointed out numerous times by numerous people in the past few years

Several " refutations " of the apparent significance of this include:

~ Nautical miles weren't a unit until quite recently
~ Nobody knows the precise location of the original Kaaba or supposed wall of Solomon's Temple, or even if it was part of Solomon's temple, or another structure
~ " numerology " is for fools

Now, I'm not trying to rub anything in here, or troll anybody like a jerk, but the last thread I posted it turned out that after the mocking ran out of gas, people who knew it all already, didn't know the most basic of topics { education in metrology, history of mathematics and mathematical astronomy and " numerology / gematria ", Mesopotamian history, etc } so I have decided that obviously I bored people to death and there is no point in going further { unless you are interested of course ..... }

What I am interested in, however, is what the masses { you } have to say about this distance between the two holy sites

Most often you will hear the stereotypical explanations for ' the devil ' { please read links in red below, for the sake of the discussion at least ]

Mind you I am not the type of person who thinks the " devil " is a little red guy with horns, or that the president of the United States is a holographic inter-dimensional Jewish moon lizard but rather that this comes from the Levite " scapegoat " ritual

in which a red ribbon was tied to the goats horns { for which exist several explanations according to traditional literature }, having roots in Canaanite religion { or possibly others }

...anyway, not to get too far off track here, I want to hear what you think about think about this

In other words,

Why does it look like somebody left the area of " Solomon's temple " in Jerusalem, traveling a distance in units that is based on Sumerian mathematics referencing a highly precise mathematical system of astronomy, in a direction that can only accurately be determined by a type of map that supposedly was not invented until thousands of years after Sumerian mathematical astronomers in Uruk, and built a structure that is based on mathematical astronomy, including it's minor and major axis [ the Kaaba } which reference the axial tilt of the earth { 66.6 degrees from the ecliptic } ?

Or for that matter, anything from anybody in any system of belief or religions who has anything interesting to add

Thanks

Everything is 666 (X) units away from any other given thing. The unit of measurement is often arbitrary. It could be 666 feet, miles, kilometers, nautical miles, knots, clicks, meters, milometers, lengths of my arm ect. Light years one might say isn't arbitrary since it is based off of the speed of light but what about Mars Light Years? They are longer than Earth Light years. All units of measurement are arbitrary to a degree. So ascribing meaning to them based off of a religious or mythological number doesn't hold a lot of water.

 

[gnostic]

Oh, how I love to hate numerology and numerologist.

 

[Onoma]

I see that the thread I walked way from is still drawing hits

Is there one of you who has studied mathematical astronomy in Mesopotamia ?

I didn't find anybody here the last time I was around

 

[Milton Platt]

I see that the thread I walked way from is still drawing hits

Is there one of you who has studied mathematical astronomy in Mesopotamia ?

I didn't find anybody here the last time I was around

how did your study go when you were there?

 

[Onoma]

Well, once again I learned that the knowitalls and smart alecs that populate these forums are actually nothing but ignorant big mouths

Can any of you explain these notations ?

I'll wait for your expert google fu answers

And if you want to run your mouths about " numerology ", let's dip into languages like Akkadian, because that's where " numerology " comes from ?

Oh....Akkadian ?....you're lost already ?

Guess you should just make a few snarky comments and run along

 

[McBell]

Well, once again I learned that the knowitalls and smart alecs that populate these forums are actually nothing but ignorant big mouths

Can any of you explain these notations ?

I'll wait for your expert google fu answers

And if you want to run your mouths about " numerology ", let's dip into languages like Akkadian, because that's where " numerology " comes from ?

Oh....Akkadian ?....you're lost already ?

Guess you should just make a few snarky comments and run along

Your hypocrisy is most entertaining.

 

[Shad]

I see that the thread I walked way from is still drawing hits

Is there one of you who has studied mathematical astronomy in Mesopotamia ?

I didn't find anybody here the last time I was around

Lets here of your credentials before you ask for others. Are you even qualified? (I studied X for years outside of academia is not a form of credential nor makes you qualified)

 

[McBell]

I see that the thread I walked way from is still drawing hits

Is there one of you who has studied mathematical astronomy in Mesopotamia ?

I didn't find anybody here the last time I was around

That you are flat out wrong in the OP was ferreted out extremely quickly.
Now the thread has moved on to more interesting tangents.

 

[Onoma]

Lol, you haven't debunked a damn thing, and truthfully your arrogance is going to turn out quite amusing

I asked you a simple question about the notations used in mathematical astronomy that Abraham, the builder of the Kaaba according to tradition would have learned in Ur, Babylonia, from Chaldean astronomers

Something you would be familiar with IF you actually studied this topic like I have

Here, let's chew on this

That's the major and minor axis of the Kaaba, oriented in the exact same fashion as the Sumerian Temples in city-states like Uruk

matching the axial tilt of the planet, which gives us seasons denoted by the passing of equinoxes and solstices

cough


This next one is pretty much proof that you have missed a few things

Want to try again ?



Let's discuss the convention of nautical miles again

What is the mathematical base ?

I'll wait

Btw, feel free to join me on my new flood epic thread

 

[Onoma]

You guys are going to have to try much harder than that