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9/11 was an inside job
- Thread starter Spiderman
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Augustus
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How was it supposed to collapse?
Have you ever seen a controlled demolition of such a building resemble the WTC collapse?
If you watch controlled demolitions, they don't really look like the WTC collapse. They either collapse from the bottom or with multiple, visible/audible explosions. The explosions are also very loud.
If it were explosives, how many explosions are you positing as the cause? If your 'close to free fall speed' is meaningful then it would have to be a series of explosions from top to bottom. The building never seems to be collapsing at any other point than the ongoing downward pressure above the point of impact..
Floor by floor explosions would be audible in some footage, and a small number of major 'chunk' explosions would be visible.
I'm no expert, but it doesn't look or sound like any controlled demolition I've ever seen.
Notanumber
A Free Man
If you are looking for conspiracy theories how about the Vegas shootings. This story seems to have gone quiet over here at any rate. The Weinstein story helped with that and now there is the release of the JFK files.
What happened to the missing hard-drive?
Were there more than one shooter?
Did Paddock commit suicide by shooting himself twice?
How did he carry all that equipment up to his room without raising any suspicions?
How did he keep the hotel staff out of his room while he set everything up?
How did he install his CCTV without it being noticed?
How come there is no video footage of him from the hotels CCTV system (I understand the hotel even has cameras in the lifts/elevators)?
What happened to the missing hard-drive?
Were there more than one shooter?
Did Paddock commit suicide by shooting himself twice?
How did he carry all that equipment up to his room without raising any suspicions?
How did he keep the hotel staff out of his room while he set everything up?
How did he install his CCTV without it being noticed?
How come there is no video footage of him from the hotels CCTV system (I understand the hotel even has cameras in the lifts/elevators)?
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Structural integrity is a thing. If the frame goes even slightly, the whole thing topples down and breaks as it goes. As it did.
To pick the lesser of 2 evils doesn't change the fact that one still voted for evil.Hey, you voted for him!
I have no loyalty towards The Orange One.
So a spade may be called a spade.
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
No one has ever offered an explanation of how a fully occupied building could be rigged
with demolition explosives. Have you ever seen how it's done? There are numerous access
openings to structural elements...wires all over the place...explosives placed.....crews working
for many days to rig up the system. None of the tenants noticed they were to be subject to
demolition? The maintenance workers & landlord were OK with it all?
This is utterly ridiculous.
A big reason I point this out is that conspiracy theorists will inundate us with walls of technical
text which suggest something extremely complicated, mysterious, & damning going on. This
is impossible to debunk because links to sources are often lacking, the conspiracists typically
lack an engineering/metallurgical background, & it's a whack-a-mole kind of pseudo-analysis.
But I point out things accessible to all. Anyone can imagine being a tenant or worker in the
building. Such a massive demolition project would be noticeable. Tenants would complain.
Tenants always complain.
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It occurs to me that everyone who supports the bombing theory is agreeing
with Trump....thinks as does Trump....could have their posts confused with
Trump's tweets....might be a secret Trump sympathizer!
with Trump....thinks as does Trump....could have their posts confused with
Trump's tweets....might be a secret Trump sympathizer!
Let's look one of many technical claims.....
some common ground about that aspect of the buildings' failure modes.
What is the significance of intergranular melting (molten material outside grain boundaries)?
Does it mean that the temperature causing this meant there was molten steel in bulk?
Clearly, molten steel wouldn't exhibit intergranular melting because there wouldn't
be any grains at such high temperatures.
Or is intergranular melting (at a temp lower than the bulk melting temp) simply
one of the components of the lower temperature failure mode known as "creep"?
Creep leading to stress rupture is a primary failure mode for buildings on fire.
So failure occurs before melting would even be possible.
What is the significance of "high temperature corrosion"? The corrosion rate
increases with temperature, & becomes severe at well below melting temperatures.
(Iron reacts readily with other elements. Cutting torches work by heating steel
to "red hot" temperatures, & then introducing oxygen, which generates massive
heat by combustion, ie, burning the iron as fuel.)
Who here is familiar with metalurgy? I'm no expert, but perhaps we'll establish
some common ground about that aspect of the buildings' failure modes.
What is the significance of intergranular melting (molten material outside grain boundaries)?
Does it mean that the temperature causing this meant there was molten steel in bulk?
Clearly, molten steel wouldn't exhibit intergranular melting because there wouldn't
be any grains at such high temperatures.
Or is intergranular melting (at a temp lower than the bulk melting temp) simply
one of the components of the lower temperature failure mode known as "creep"?
Creep leading to stress rupture is a primary failure mode for buildings on fire.
So failure occurs before melting would even be possible.
What is the significance of "high temperature corrosion"? The corrosion rate
increases with temperature, & becomes severe at well below melting temperatures.
(Iron reacts readily with other elements. Cutting torches work by heating steel
to "red hot" temperatures, & then introducing oxygen, which generates massive
heat by combustion, ie, burning the iron as fuel.)
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Ysa7al1Masih
Ashari
Is this a secret survey? Are you an asset? Whose your handler?
Just kidding. Maybe.
It does not take much to realize no plane hit the Pentagon or crashed in Pennsylvania, just look at the official photos (no camera recordings, Pentagon has surveillance), the fact that a plane is not in the photos can't be explained unless there were no planes. Planes don't vaporize upon impact. They claim they found a passport in the rubble of the towers but a plane hits the ground and not a scrap?
Come on... brew a cup a joe, bro. Tower 7 was not hit, but you are willing to believe that there is nothing sinister about the fact it also fell in the same manner as the other 2?
Fire they say. Never in history has fire demolished a steel frame concrete structure.
It's so well known that anybody who doesn't think the perps had inside access must be in denial. Unless they don't know the facts, in which cade I ask, how is it you don't know this?
People have been allowing the military to butcher civilians for 16 years to create a narco state in Afghanistan.
So you probably should rethink a few things, do some research, because 16 years of war has accomplished the intended goals, total chaos.
G. Bush 2 had Joe Wilson investigate Saddam, said no chance he has WMD's, in retaliation they outed his covert CIA agent wife, which is treason.
They made a movie about it. Bush went to war knowing the reason stated was a lie, so did everyone else. Later he joked about it. False pretenses, 100,000+ dead and counting, the ever present boogeyman the "Terrorist." But the terror is felt by the citizens of the Mid East and certainly not commuted by any actual Muslim. It's easy to yell Allahu Akbar, and not believe it.
Do you know what it means to "Graduate from Guantanamo bay "?
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Of course, this could be government fabricated, but....
Why was airplane debris found at the Pentagon crash site if there were no airplane?
And if the government wanted to make it appear that a plane hit the Pentagon,
why would they not use a real airplane to do the job? That would certainly be the
easiest way to perpetrate the claimed hoax.
Ysa7al1Masih
Ashari
Are you joking?
A plane is more than "debrit" which could be from a missile.
The rest is self explanatory.
Your why?s are mundane and only speculation can be offered.
What I stated was simple logic that required no edification.
Ysa7al1Masih
Ashari
The group of people who deny ISIS to be terrorist ,do believe that 9/11 is an inside job, just not kidding.
You know I hate categorizing people so I will not name the group.
If it was not, read my first comment, then say it wasn't again.
I need a good laugh!
Ysa7al1Masih
Ashari
The group of people who deny ISIS to be terrorist ,do believe that 9/11 is an inside job, just not kidding.
You know I hate categorizing people so I will not name the group.
People don't deny ISIS is terrorist, but it is a creation of covert intelligence operations, i.e. Mossad, MI6.
Not just loons on forums either, let's just say the whistle was blown but you were too busy to hear it.
Funny how we came to our conclusion which of the two was less evil.
I admire your honesty but have to make jokes where I can.
I never put much stock in that theory, although I have no real reason to accept the government's official version of events either.
One thing that seems self-evident about the whole thing: The terrorists went to great lengths to make a grandstand play like that, yet in the years that followed, they ended up worse off than if they had not done anything. Their powerbase in Afghanistan was destroyed, Osama Bin Laden was killed, and US militarism has increased, not decreased.
The US population was not cowed. On the contrary, the outrage over 9/11 gave the government a virtual blank check of support to go out and bomb whoever was responsible. From the terrorists' viewpoint, 9/11 has to be viewed as a spectacular failure, since it resulted in the exact opposite of what they wanted.
That's why many people consider that 9/11 must have been an inside job, since it hurt the terrorists' cause more than helped them. It made no sense whatsoever. On the other hand, 9/11 was an enormous stroke of luck for the militarists and interventionists in our government struggling to find whatever pretexts they can to justify their aggression.
Often, but not this time.
Debris from a missile is very different from debris from an airplane.
I don't understand this.
If you didn't joke, you'd be tedious & boring.
No, there really isn't.
A fire in an office building isn't "burning in open air." Heat is reflected by walls, floors, and ceilings. As long as the energy being added to the system is greater than the system's ability to shed energy (by conduction, radiation, or convection), the temperature will increase.
And speaking of convection: if the heat of the fire (or mechanical ventilation, if it's running) increases the oxygen flow to the fire, then the temperature of the fire will increase through a process similar to a blast furnace.
Also: the melting temperature isn't what matters for structural steel; the eutectoid temperature is what matters. That's the temperature where the crystal structure of the steel breaks down and the steel loses its strength and stiffness ("like licorice" is how one of my profs described it).
Fire - including fire involving office materials - is a known, established threat to the structure of a steel framed building.
Well, there's still the issue of my jokes being funny or not. So I might still be tedious and boring.