9/11 Was NOT an Inside Job

[Papoon]

Anyway, I didn't assert that the government did it. I suggested that a good guess would be the Mossad.
After all, they are prone to false flag ops, and had the motivation of the US taking control of the middle east. Most likely in cahoots with neo-con imperialists like Cheney and Rumsfeld. Obviously Bush was too stupid to tie his own shoelaces. And yet the American people made him president ! Go figure.

 

[Papoon]

I'm raising my hand.
Although I think the duping by government was more of the self-imposed variety.
It was plausible, because Iraq did have WMDs....the only questions are when & where.

You must be kidding. The US tore the place apart. Nothing. Over a decade later, not s shred of evidence that it was anything but a monstrous scam.

 

[Revoltingest]

Anyway, I didn't assert that the government did it. I suggested that a good guess would be the Mossad.
After all, they ate prone to false flag ops. Most likely in cahoots with neo-con imperialists like Cheney and Rumsfeld. Obviously Bush was too stupid to tie his own shoelaces. And yet the American people made him president ! Go figure.

If Bush is really so dumb, then we're in more trouble than people know.
His grades were comparable to the much vaunted Al Gore.

Anyway, why rule out other conspirators....
- The Saudis (home of some of the perps)
- Islamic extremist groups
- The Illuminati

 

[Revoltingest]

You must be kidding. The US tore the place apart. Nothing. Over a decade later, not s shred of evidence that it was anything but a monstrous scam.

No kidding at all.
The US was even a major supplier of bio & chem WMDs to Iraq in our proxy war against Iran.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halab...ources_for_technology_and_chemical_precursors
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran–Iraq_war

Iraq not only had WMDs, it used them against Iranians, Kurds, etc.

 

[Papoon]

If Bush is really so dumb, then we're in more trouble than people know.
His grades were comparable to the much vaunted Al Gore.

Anyway, why rule out other conspirators....
- The Saudis (home of some of the perps)
- Islamic extremist groups
- The Illuminati

I didn't rule anything in or out.

 

[Papoon]

No kidding at all.
The US was even a major supplier of bio & chem WMDs to Iraq in our proxy war against Iran.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halab...ources_for_technology_and_chemical_precursors
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran–Iraq_war

That's precious !
And Saddam was propped up and supported by the US. Until it was convenient to demonize him.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's precious !
And Saddam was propped up and supported by the US.

Yup.

Until it was convenient to demonize him.

I can't say whether the publicly proffered reasons or hidden ones prompted the attack.

 

[Papoon]

Yup.

I can't say whether iw was the publicly proffered reasons or hidden ones prompted the attack.

That's on a need to know basis. And in the fine democracy of the US, the people only need to know that they don't need to know.

And yet, knowing that, they are sure they do !

 

[Papoon]

Let's get this in perspective. A war based on a blatant lie caused the deaths of thousands of US troops, and maybe half a million Iraqis.

But they would never betray the people's trust. Right.

We'll just dry a tear over 911, and send thousands more to die, while committing a war crime.

Makes sense.

 

[Revoltingest]

Let's get this in perspective. A war based on a blatant lie caused the deaths of thousands of US troops, and maybe half a million Iraqis.
But they would never betray the people's trust. Right.
We'll just dry a tear over 911, and send thousands more to die, while committing a war crime.
Makes sense.

Was it really so blatant?
I suspect confirmation bias, ie, what they saw, they interpreted to support the agenda they wanted.

 

[Papoon]

Was it really so blatant?
I suspect confirmation bias, ie, what they saw, they interpreted to support the agenda they wanted.

It was really so blatant

 

[Brickjectivity]

Was it really so blatant?
I suspect confirmation bias, ie, what they saw, they interpreted to support the agenda they wanted.

I recently saw an interview of Cheney with Colbert, where this point was made believable by Cheney. He pointed out, too, that although we didn't find WMD, we did find the chemicals used to produce them, and we knew Saddam had used them in the past. Anyway, the planes did strike the towers, and the American people were goaded by it but mostly by Saddam's talk. Personally the fall of the towers did not surprise me or move me. Saddam was very provocative, clearly grasping for more land, and he was clearly nutty about the USA. The invasion was his own doing and that of his B-ath party. They brought it on themselves by threatening everybody around, invading and acting crazy. Even without the towers he had it coming.

 

[Papoon]

I recently saw an interview of Cheney with Colbert, where this point was made believable by Cheney. He pointed out, too, that although we didn't find WMD, we did find the chemicals used to produce them, and we knew Saddam had used them in the past. Anyway, the planes did strike the towers, and the American people were goaded by it but mostly by Saddam's talk. Personally the fall of the towers did not surprise me or move me. Saddam was very provocative, clearly grasping for more land, and he was clearly nutty about the USA. The invasion was his own doing and that of his B-ath party. They brought it on themselves by threatening everybody around, invading and acting crazy. Even without the towers he had it coming.

You are linking Saddam to the 911 attack. For some reason, people (mostly Americans) make this fundamental mistake over and over.

There is NO LINK between Saddam Hussein and the 911 attack. The US government has CONSISTENTLY made that clear.
There is also no link between Hussein and Al Qaeda.

So why are you linking 911 and the Iraq war ?

BTW, the US government supported Hussein because he provided useful intelligence, and was doing the difficult task of keeping Iraq secular.
It was not until Rumsfeld and Cheney decided a war was in their interests that he fell from grace.

 

[Brickjectivity]

You are linking Saddam to the 911 attack. For some reason, people (mostly Americans) make this fundamental mistake over and over.

There is NO LINK between Saddam Hussein and the 911 attack. The US government has CONSISTENTLY made that clear.
There is also no link between Hussein and Al Qaeda.

I know. You brought up the invasion of Iraq, so I wanted to point out that Iraq had it coming with or without the towers. They let Saddam be their king-like lord, and he was just going crazy. http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/9-11-was-not-an-inside-job.184221/page-4#post-4621546

 

[Nietzsche]

I know. You brought up the invasion of Iraq, so I wanted to point out that Iraq had it coming with or without the towers. They let Saddam be their king-like lord, and he was just going crazy. http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/9-11-was-not-an-inside-job.184221/page-4#post-4621546

Saddam was a massive dick, undoubtedly. But, he kept the gaggle of different groups that make up Iraq in line, not unlike a Tito on a smaller scale.

 

[Nietzsche]

Anyway, I didn't assert that the government did it. I suggested that a good guess would be the Mossad.
After all, they are prone to false flag ops, and had the motivation of the US taking control of the middle east. Most likely in cahoots with neo-con imperialists like Cheney and Rumsfeld. Obviously Bush was too stupid to tie his own shoelaces. And yet the American people made him president ! Go figure.

You are giving Mossad waay too much credit.

 

[SkepticThinker]

The Twin Towers were designed to withstand a plane crash; go check the facts if you're interested, rather than just make up what you want to believe.

And the Titanic was built to be unsinkable.

 

[Nietzsche]

The Twin Towers were designed to withstand a plane crash; go check the facts if you're interested, rather than just make up what you want to believe.

A plane crash in the 60s-70s, yes. See there's this thing called "time" that generally happens, and we gauge long(for humans) spans of it by this thing known as "years". There are almost a whole 30 of those between when it was designed, and when it was hit.

 

[Papoon]

I know. You brought up the invasion of Iraq, so I wanted to point out that Iraq had it coming with or without the towers. They let Saddam be their king-like lord, and he was just going crazy. http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/9-11-was-not-an-inside-job.184221/page-4#post-4621546

Are you at all aware of the subtext of your language ?

"Had it coming to him"

"They let Saddam be their king-like lord"

And who exactly are Americans ? The world's king-like lord ? Global Pale Rider ? Arbiter of earth's culture and politics ?

The US empowered Saddam. Remember why ? Because Iran was getting out of America's control, and they needed a foothold in Iraq to keep them in check.

Remember the Shah ? Another US puppet. And probably the reason for Iranian distaste for the US.

Who the funky duck do Americans think they are ?

I can tell you that at the time of the slaughter in Iraq, a global poll showed that 95% of the world's population nominated USA as the greatest threat to world peace. I doubt that the poll got much press there though.

And anyway, what bizarre logic - Saddam is a **** so let's kill a half million Iraqis !

Tell me, was Ho Chi Minh also a **** who needed John Wayne's intervention ?

 

[Nietzsche]

Are you at all aware of the subtext of your language ?

"Had it coming to him"

"They let Saddam be their king-like lord"

And who exactly are Americans ? The world's king-like lord ? Global Pale Rider ? Arbiter of earth's culture and politics ?

The US empowered Saddam. Remember why ? Because Iran was getting out of America's control, and they needed a foothold in Iraq to keep them in check.

Remember the Shah ? Another US puppet. And probably the reason for Iranian distaste for the US.

Who the funky duck do Americans think they are ?

I can tell you that at the time of the slaughter in Iraq, a global poll showed that 95% of the world's population nominated USA as the greatest threat to world peace. I doubt that the poll got much press there though.

And anyway, what bizarre logic - Saddam is a **** so let's kill a half million Iraqis !

Tell me, was Ho Chi Minh also a **** who needed John Wayne's intervention ?

You're making a compelling case for it.