9/11 Was NOT an Inside Job

[Papoon]

You're making a compelling case for it.

For what ?

If you mean a compelling case for justifying 911, then no way.

I am not a supporter of violence and vengeance.

 

[Nietzsche]

For what ?

Invading areas and trying to get rid of the disapointments.

 

[Papoon]

Invading areas and trying to get rid of the disapointments.

That's a bit cryptic. Maybe rephrase and make it clearer.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Are you at all aware of the subtext of your language ?

"Had it coming to him"

"They let Saddam be their king-like lord"

And who exactly are Americans ? The world's king-like lord ? Global Pale Rider ? Arbiter of earth's culture and politics ?

The US empowered Saddam. Remember why ? Because Iran was getting out of America's control, and they needed a foothold in Iraq to keep them in check.

Remember the Shah ? Another US puppet. And probably the reason for Iranian distaste for the US.

So...you still think that terrorists did not attack our trade towers, and you also believe that we are bent on global usurpation. Its surprising we haven't invaded Canada and Mexico yet. They'd better watch out, huh?

Remember the Shah ? Another US puppet. And probably the reason for Iranian distaste for the US.

The Iranians are not happy with us about our past support of the Shah. They have since had a revolution and installed someone else, and they are not our puppets at all. Whatever they do is their own responsibility. They have their Khomeini and good luck to them. I hope that relations can approach some better level of goodness in the future.

I can tell you that at the time of the slaughter in Iraq, a global poll showed that 95% of the world's population nominated USA as the greatest threat to world peace. I doubt that the poll got much press there though.

And anyway, what bizarre logic - Saddam is a **** so let's kill a half million Iraqis !

You act like you are exposing some kind of hidden thing. USA does not go blindly into war or deny that it went to war, and that number is an estimated 'Total' meaning it includes every kind indirect death, including miscarriages, things attributed to infrastructure damage, hospital overcrowding. That number is not a secret. By the way, the USA left Iraq. We did not annex it, and we could have taken all of it. We certainly were the most retarded invasion force in history to have shown up, taken out the regime and left with no reward.

 

[Papoon]

So...you still think that terrorists did not attack our trade towers, and you also believe that we are bent on global usurpation. Its surprising we haven't invaded Canada and Mexico yet. They'd better watch out, huh?

The Iranians are not happy with us about our past support of the Shah. They have since had a revolution and installed someone else, and they are not our puppets at all. Whatever they do is their own responsibility. They have their Khomeini and good luck to them. I hope that relations can approach some better level of goodness in the future.


You act like you are exposing some kind of hidden thing. USA does not go blindly into war or deny that it went to war, and that number is an estimated 'Total' meaning it includes every kind indirect death, including miscarriages, things attributed to infrastructure damage, hospital overcrowding. That number is not a secret. By the way, the USA left Iraq. We did not annex it, and we could have taken all of it. We certainly were the most retarded invasion force in history to have shown up, taken out the regime and left with no reward.

Haven't invaded Mexico yet ! LMAO !

You don't realise that California, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Texas, and parts of Wyoming and Colorado were all once Mexican territory ?

Remember the Alamo !

 

[Brickjectivity]

Invading areas and trying to get rid of the disapointments.

We could have had slaves, eliminated our national debt and new lands.

Haven't invaded Mexico yet ! LMAO !

You don't realise that California, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Texas, and parts of Wyoming and Colorado were all once Mexican territory ?

Remember the Alamo !

!!! Well all I can say is it was back in the 1840's. I really think we have changed since then, and I note again that we did not stay in Iraq.

 

[Valjean]

The US has always been aggressive and imperialistic. We've invaded Canada twice and Mexico once. Times have changed not in our imperial ambitions but in our methodology. It's easier to govern as the Romans did, by installing native puppets and letting them keep the people in line.

 

[Nietzsche]

The US has always been aggressive and imperialistic. We've invaded Canada twice

...Twice?

War of 1812, yes. What else are you counting, the American Revolution? Because that simply isn't right, as "Canada" at the time was no more or less a British colony than the ones that declared independence.

 

[Revoltingest]

The US has always been aggressive and imperialistic. We've invaded Canada twice and Mexico once. Times have changed not in our imperial ambitions but in our methodology. It's easier to govern as the Romans did, by installing native puppets and letting them keep the people in line.

No! No! No!
The old rapacious expansive Americastan is dead.
We still crush our enemies, but instead of taking their land, we
linger, & eventually abandon mountains of money & materiel.

 

[Papoon]

I actually feel compassion, even some sorrow, for the American people. Living with such collective karma is a palpable burden, almost a curse.

I realised this from my experience in Australia. During my travels around the country, I discovered that the hidden truths can be found in small rural libraries, in limited print books written by people who lived through, and felt a need to document, what actually happened.

Once a culture is overly burdened with suppressed collective guilt, it implodes, and all genuine sense of community is lost.

 

[Revoltingest]

I actually feel compassion, even some sorrow, for the American people. Living with such collective karma is a palpable burden, almost a curse.

I realised this from my experience in Australia. During my travels around the country, I discovered that the hidden truths can be found in small rural libraries, in limited print books written by people who lived through, and felt a need to document, what actually happened.

Once a culture is overly burdened with suppressed collective guilt, it implodes, and all genuine sense of community is lost.

Guilty?
Who feels guilty?
Most don't care.
The rest of us weren't responsible for it, so we don't feel the least bit guilty.

 

[Valjean]

...Twice?

War of 1812, yes. What else are you counting, the American Revolution? Because that simply isn't right, as "Canada" at the time was no more or less a British colony than the ones that declared independence.

A reasonable point.
Yes, I was counting 1775 invasion by the Continental Army. The US was trying to get the French Quebecois to join the revolt and overthrow their British 'oppressors'.

There was also our claim on a good chunk of Western Canada in the 1840s (54.40 or fight!), which we never pulled off.

 

[Papoon]

Guilty?
Who feels guilty?
Most don't care.
The rest of us weren't responsible for it, so we don't feel the least bit guilty.

It can seem that way. Hence I named it 'suppressed collective guilt'.

 

[Revoltingest]

It can seem that way. Hence I named it 'suppressed collective guilt'.

How can I suppress guilt I don't have?
And those who are unaware will likely stay that way.

 

[Papoon]

How can I suppress guilt I don't have?
And those who are unaware will likely stay that way.

Uh huh.

 

[Papoon]

Failure to deal with corrupt leadership is complicity.

 

[Revoltingest]

Uh huh.

Your way would be better.
It would be more likely that we'd ditch our deadly & wasteful foreign adventurism.
But no, the hawkish Hildebeast looks like the likely presidential winner so far.

Failure to deal with corrupt leadership is complicity.

I don't think corruption is the biggest problem.
People vote for the pro-war candidates, fully aware that they are.

 

[Papoon]

Your way would be better.
It would be more likely that we'd ditch our deadly & wasteful foreign adventurism.
But no, the hawkish Hildebeast looks like the likely presidential winner so far.

Sad but true. I wish I had some idea of how this entrenched corruption - political, economic, psychological - could be dealt with.

 

[Papoon]

I don't think corruption is the biggest problem.
People vote for the pro-war candidates, fully aware that they are.

People commit to anger and vengeance because it feels strong. Psychologically survivable.

 

[Revoltingest]

People commit to anger and vengeance because it feels strong. Psychologically survivable.

I'm big on anger & vengeance too.
But not in the direction this country takes....&
with too little regard for the rights of others.
My own vengeance is more considered & ethical.