RAYYAN
Proud Muslim
and such a complicated plan can not be planned by people who lived in caves in Afghanistan
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9/11 Was NOT an Inside Job
- Thread starter ThirtyThree
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and such a complicated plan can not be planned by people who lived in caves in Afghanistan
The phrase, "were designed to", speaks to intent to face a particular problem.The Twin Towers were designed to withstand a plane crash; go check the facts if you're interested, rather than just make up what you want to believe.
Not all plane crashes are the same.
It wasn't designed to face a massive fire on top, leading to a cascade of vertical impacts.
Make this up?
No....it's publicly available info.
How creep works.....
http://www.nationalboard.org/Index.aspx?pageID=181
Doubt me about the metalurgy & material failure modes?.....just ask Wirey.
(Before I was in mechanical engineering, I was in architecture. So I've a little familiarity with this stuff.)
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Sure they're Americans. What I'm saying is that major policy decisions are being made by and for a a tiny coterie of powerful Americans for their own purposes; purposes often at odds with the welfare and wishes of 99% of the general public.
Conspiracies get pulled off all the time. As long as you don't mention anything on the 10:00 news they rarely get noticed by the general public. Of course, if the public does catch wind you can always poo-poo it as a conspiracy theory and they'll go back to their football games.
Clearly there was a 9/11 conspiracy somewhere. I don't recall the deployment of those planes being debated in congress or voted on by the people.
We seem to be talking about two different conspiracies here:
1. Inside job: Agents of one or more US government agencies engineered and executed the destruction of the three buildings.
2. Incompetence vs Coventry scenario: Government had but ignored prior knowledge of the attack.
I blame the thugs who commandeered the planes.
They conspired to do it.
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Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
The Twin Towers were designed to withstand a plane crash; go check the facts if you're interested, rather than just make up what you want to believe.
I don't choose things by what I WANT to believe but what is true, unlike some people I know.
ThirtyThree
Well-Known Member
With box cutters no less!
No doubt.
But I don't think Dubya was in on it.
Papoon
Active Member
If there was an as yet uncovered conspiracy, my guess would be that the most likely conspirators were The Mossad, in cahoots with Cheney and Rumsfield and their homies.
There are some compelling pieces of evidence. Like the actual film footage of the sections of wall exploding in sequence at the base of the building, the numerous first hand witness reports of explosions in the basement prior to the plane impact, the fact that the footage of the plane striking the building shows it exploding before you the wings have gone through the wall - the fuel is in the wings, not the cockpit.
The weirdest detail IMO is that there was a simulated attack being run simultaneously as an 'exercise' - and this also happened in the subsequent London bombing. Seriously, what are the odds ?
Possibly the strangest thing was that the Carlyle Group were meeting at the time, and the Bin Ladens were present. Way weird timing.
And a few other weird details, like the POTUS - Commander in Chief- was left unprotected 15 kilometers from an airfield, with a publicly known itinerary, while his country was under attack from civilian aircraft, and he wasn't rushed to a safe place, which is the first thing his minders should have done.
And then there were the 200 Israeli spies arrested in the following week and subsequently never mentioned.
And a few other weird details.
Papoon
Active Member
...weird details including exactly who profited from the inflated Enron share prices before its collapse, and invested their windfall in Halliburton (some of the major neo-con Bush presidency players) the company building the oil pipeline from Afghanistan to Turkey via Iraq - and who were also later involved in distributing the eleven BILLION dollar Iraq reconstruction fund - much of which 'went missing'
Just lots of weird little details...
Just lots of weird little details...
Wouldn't the most likely conspirators be extreme Islamic groups?
Personally, I blame the Queen & the royal family.
(They have shifty eyes.)
I don't recall any such things.
Evidence?
Papoon
Active Member
The footage of the wall popping at the base, and the first hand interviews recorded during the event from those who heard the early explosions in the basement is in the documentary 'Zeitgeist'
The Israeli spy thing was actually broadcast on Fox news, and can possibly still be found with a web search. I have seen it, but I'm not a historian or journalist so I didn't keep copies. Apparently talking about it was a good way to end a career in journalism after the story was suppressed. The Israelis ran the companies which did wire tapping for the CIA and FBI as I remember. This information is public record.
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Link to this footage?
Papoon
Active Member
Google it if you're interested. I'm just recounting what I've seen
To find something which I don't think even exists is difficult.
I'm particularly skeptical because the conspiracy claims require that I
abandon much of what I know about metalurgy, structures & failure modes.
Papoon
Active Member
OK. I'm not pushing a barrow here. I am just reporting things I learned and saw along the way.
So am I.
I watched videos, & never saw any evidence which contradicts collapse caused by the plane crash & subsequent fire.
Moreover, to rig a building with explosives or incendiaries for collapse is a very involved process.
The conspiracy theory would require that all those weeks of invasive work went unnoticed by all.
It's easy to doctor & misread videos.
But one cannot change some things.....
- Metalurgy
- Structural design
- The landlord-staff-tenant relationship
Papoon
Active Member
Certainly. IF there was a conspiracy it would have required meticulous planning. There are just so many peculiar coincidences and details to be refuted...
And as for the metallurgy and structural engineering aspect, there are highly regarded engineers who state unequivocally that the building could have withstood the impact of a C5 Galaxy. I don't claim that kind of knowledge or certainty.
What peculiar coincidences (verifiable) do you see?
Who are the "highly regarded engineers" & what do the specifically claim?
Designing a building to resist an airplane strike is not so simple as saying what kind of plane.
Mere impact is different from a massive fire.
The failure by pancaking (impact) of floors due to initial creep failure of structural steel still makes the most sense.
Btw, I'm highly regarded by the people who regard me highly.