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A bit Effeminate? Don't Count on Going to Heaven.

Muffled

Jesus in me
I can't help but picture a guy that was too much a jock
to appreciate his fellowman having a more agile and graceful manner

I believe that is where I differ with you. I believe He was writing God's view and not interjecting his own views.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I see the biblical concept of "effeminate" may have been something Paul himself had a problem with.

Remember, he was a crotchety old man when he wrote these letters, and saw things from a very specific, and limited, cultural perspective. Based on his writing, I see huge personal insecurities about his own sexuality and masculinity.

I believe if one reads between the lines Paul may have had problems with the temptations of sex with women. After all he was a single guy and most likely a virgin.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I believe if you have to guess then you will go there. I have some effeminate tendencies but I am assured that I am in the Kingdom of God.
I was being humorous and sarcastic... I don't think effeminate people go to hell... In fact, I think if hell exists, it is not a permanent place... I don't see how on Earth a person should be condemned to suffer forever and ever because of what they did with this short life, while they were blind and confused.

I think God takes into account that the world is blind, confused, and people often are simply following their conscience or what they were raised with.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
I believe Paul may have been referring to cross dressing which is forbidden in the OT and covers both genders.
In as much as effeminacy encompasses more than just dressing as a female I don't believe it can be limited to just that.

I believe it is the same as with homosexuality. It is an unnatural affection.
If it was the same then there would be no need to mention it separately from homosexuality as is done.


I notice you left that portion of the statement out. I believe the kingdom of God is not equivalent to Heaven.
Interesting. I've never heard that before.

The kingdom of God is referenced often in the gospels (e.g., Mark 1:15; 10:15; 15:43; Luke 17:20) and other places in the New Testament (e.g., Acts 28:31; Romans 14:17; 1 Corinthians 15:50). The kingdom of God is synonymous with the kingdom of heaven.
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DavidFirth

Well-Known Member
In as much as effeminacy encompasses more than just dressing as a female I don't believe it can be limited to just that.


If it was the same then there would be no need to mention it separately from homosexuality as is done.



Interesting. I've never heard that before.

The kingdom of God is referenced often in the gospels (e.g., Mark 1:15; 10:15; 15:43; Luke 17:20) and other places in the New Testament (e.g., Acts 28:31; Romans 14:17; 1 Corinthians 15:50). The kingdom of God is synonymous with the kingdom of heaven.
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Luke 17:21
You won't be able to say, 'Here it is!' or 'It's over there!' For the Kingdom of God is already among you."


The Kingdom of God can be in other places besides heaven but heaven is (in) the Kingdom of God.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Luke 17:21
You won't be able to say, 'Here it is!' or 'It's over there!' For the Kingdom of God is already among you."


The Kingdom of God can be in other places besides heaven but heaven is (in) the Kingdom of God.
To each his own.............................................. interpretation.

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Sanzbir

Well-Known Member
In as much as effeminacy encompasses more than just dressing as a female I don't believe it can be limited to just that.

Despite the fact the Greek word is specifically about clothing when used in Matthew 11 and Luke 7, eh?? ;)
 

Sanzbir

Well-Known Member
The kingdom of God is referenced often in the gospels (e.g., Mark 1:15; 10:15; 15:43; Luke 17:20) and other places in the New Testament (e.g., Acts 28:31; Romans 14:17; 1 Corinthians 15:50). The kingdom of God is synonymous with the kingdom of heaven.
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You might want to read the entirety of your own source then:

"The kingdom of God has several aspects. The Lord is the Sovereign of the universe, and so in that sense His kingdom is universal (1 Timothy 6:15). "

So your own source seems to cover David's interpretation as well. :p
 

Araceli Cianna

Active Member
What about the reverse? Women wear trousers these days - traditionally considered men's wear in western countries. Are we going to hell too?

I feel sorry for the Scottish men who wear traditional kilts (aka, skirts).
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
not really sure if that was friendly or not
but it rhymed

hey.....aren't poets ...effeminate ?
 
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