Subduction Zone
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I might check it out. But mitigation does little good before we get our own contributions under control
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A CONSERVATIVE solution to global warming (Part 1)
- Thread starter tytlyf
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I might check it out. But mitigation does little good before we get our own contributions under control
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
You do realize that's actually going to have to happen before somebody , anybody does anything. It's just the way human nature is.
Wolf has been cried so many times already , worse if it comes from the experts, people just take things with a grain of salt.
You're just going to have to see one of these climate predictions come true then you might gain some traction and more importantly cooperation if people actually see and experience danger rather than hearsay and predictive modeling that comes to nil when the supposed time arrives.
If people want to be serious about it, the experts are just going to have to do better then what they've been putting out so far.
A lot of the attitudes are, " I'll believe it when I see it".
Audie
Veteran Member
No worries, there should be lots of nice places to live.
This one is taken, but,you know, first come first served.
Kowloon Walled City (Getty Museum)
tytlyf
Not Religious
The video points out that removing the corporate welfare (subsidies) that Big Oil receives would speed up the process. Currently, Big Oil has their hand in our congress writing laws that keeps my tax dollars subsidizing their profits. Smart corporations are already on the train to renewable energy.
Big Oil is more concerned with keeping their welfare checks than doing the right thing. Take that welfare away, they'll sing a different tune.
Big Oil is more concerned with keeping their welfare checks than doing the right thing. Take that welfare away, they'll sing a different tune.
And obviously we need to do all we can to stop contributing.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Then that is what should happen.
What happened to all the free market capitalists who were in favour of letting the market decide?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I'm still in favor of letting the market decide. If a product or services are not selling , prices go down.
So you agree, the government should not be subsidizing oil, or coal?
The inundation of most coastal cities is now inevitable, as is the increasing intensities of heat waves, fires, droughts, tornadoes and possible crop failures and rise of tropical diseases. On the good side, Denmark will treble its size as Greenland melts and we might have a war over Antarctica which all countries will covet in order to resettle their millions of homeless.
I would recommend people living in coastal areas to resettle and buy land in higher altitudes. People who have such land will be very rich as property prices skyrocket as 10% of all continental landmass disappears under the sea. Though floating cities may be a possibility. Let's see what happens.
I have already shifted to a city at a higher altitude in India.
I would recommend people living in coastal areas to resettle and buy land in higher altitudes. People who have such land will be very rich as property prices skyrocket as 10% of all continental landmass disappears under the sea. Though floating cities may be a possibility. Let's see what happens.
I have already shifted to a city at a higher altitude in India.
tytlyf
Not Religious
It's best to ignore anything Big Oil tells you. And that goes for RW media outlets as well. Both work hand in hand for the republican establishment elitists.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I didn't agree when Obama wanted to subsidize by bailing out the Auto industry.
Just because the shoe was on the other foot doesn't mean I'm going to relent.
Of course with corporations even I'll admit their investors come first , the customers come second.
It also requires knowing something about politics, too. Economics is merely an offshoot of political science.
Some blind followers of capitalism often imply that economics is an exact science with the precision of mathematics, but such has never been the case.
No its not exact science at all. They provide rough guidance that's all.
I see it more as a matter of cause and effect, although there is some truth in what you say about the sorriest bum in the USA living materially better than half the world's population. But there are also intangible factors involved in countries when there is such a lopsided disparity.
One can look at previous times in US history when there was more of a balanced economy, when labor unions had greater bargaining power and workers were able to get better wages and working conditions. Our economic peak was probably from 1945-1970, at which point it began to stagnate and slowly decline. (A key indicator to look at would be real wages, which have been relatively stagnant since the early 1970s.)
It's not merely a question of workers' well-being or a better standard of living, but it's also a matter of economic stability and America's ability to remain in the position we have been in for all this time. We could always regress to the point where conditions could be comparable to that half of the world's population you're referring.
It's not that things are really that bad, materially speaking - not yet, anyway (although the stats and economic indicators are out there and available for perusal). But the overall sense of decline can be felt - a feeling that America's best days are behind her and that we're slowly descending into some kind of abyss.
I don't think that many people are looking for a handout. I'll admit that there are a lot of bums out there, but the fact is, most people truly want to work and do something productive with their lives. For the most part, I don't think their complaints are terribly unreasonable; just better wages, lower prices and an improved standard of living overall. I don't think they should be dismissed as "whiners" and "losers," but I would consider them more to be messengers of early warning that if we can't turn things around in this country soon, there will be consequences.
I don't think the system will necessarily be overthrown, although I think one can find historical examples of what can happen when the "upper crust" gets too far high and too far out there as to be completely out of touch with the masses. The story of Nicholas and Alexandra by Robert Massie might be a good read.
In both Russia and China, their communist revolutions were the culmination of centuries of long-term abuse and periodic bloodbaths from tyrannical, authoritarian regimes bent on keeping all the wealth and power for themselves.
They didn't even care about the consequences to their nation and the internal weaknesses which led to being invaded and dominated by foreign powers. Essentially, their systems collapsed within themselves, which made any kind of "overthrow" as an inevitable anti-climax after decades of chaos and mismanagement by the wealthy and powerful in those countries.
The question we now face in America is this: Could our own ruling class be so myopic and short-sighted as to degenerate into the same mode of thinking which has doomed governments and so many societies in the past? Could they be that self-destructive? It may not be as far-fetched as it seems, considering the great panic there is over Trump. Some people think it's the end of the world - or at least the end of America as we know it. But if the wealthy and powerful want to keep what they have, they're going to need those thuggish, hard-nosed types to keep all the "whiners" and "losers" at bay. There's a lot of them out there - probably more than half the world's population when you really think about it.
I see economics debates much in the same way as political debates. They often involve disagreements over philosophical positions and value systems for which there may not be any ultimately "right" or "wrong" answer. Some of them tend to be moral issues, not just systemic issues.
Audie
Veteran Member
Did something happen to them?
Audie
Veteran Member
Substanitally agree with what you wrote.
The great panic over Trump, what do you think
that is about?
I am pretty sure I know why he got elected.
Economic disparity is a big part of it.
I don’t know. They seem very silent when it comes to the issue of fossil fuel subsidies.
I hope they are ok.