A Disturbing Book in the school libary. Read by an 11 year old to the school board.

[Curious George]

Which is what and would look like what?
My question is in reference to how when I was in school it was such a norm for kids to forge their parent's name that one of my teachers reminded her class we need to wait at least until the next class to turn them in so she can at least pretend she doesn't know we're signing off on them ourselves.
So how common is it that kids actually take them home for parents to sign?

It would look like a link that said library under the students page and the page would display which books were checked out. Maybe an isbn number or something; a due date. Maybe another page with history of checked out and returned items

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It would look like a link that said library under the students page and the page would display which books were checked out. Maybe an isbn number or something; a due date. Maybe another page with history of checked out and returned items

This unfortunately isn't binding but it should be.

Schools and Minors’ Rights

Library policies and procedures that effectively deny minors equal and equitable access to all library resources available to other users violate the Library Bill of Rights. The American Library Association opposes all attempts to restrict access to library services, materials, and facilities...

www.ala.org

Library policies and procedures that effectively deny minors equal and equitable access to all library resources available to other users violate the Library Bill of Rights. The American Library Association opposes all attempts to restrict access to library services, materials, and facilities based on the age of library users.

And from the Library Bill of Rights

Library Bill of Rights

The American Library Association affirms that all libraries are forums for information and ideas, and that the following basic policies should guide their services. I. Books and other library resources should be provided for the interest, information, and enlightenment of all people of the...

www.ala.org

VII. All people, regardless of origin, age, background, or views, possess a right to privacy and confidentiality in their library use. Libraries should advocate for, educate about, and protect people’s privacy, safeguarding all library use data, including personally identifiable information.

 

[Curious George]

This unfortunately isn't binding but it should be.

Schools and Minors’ Rights

Library policies and procedures that effectively deny minors equal and equitable access to all library resources available to other users violate the Library Bill of Rights. The American Library Association opposes all attempts to restrict access to library services, materials, and facilities...

www.ala.org

And from the Library Bill of Rights

Library Bill of Rights

The American Library Association affirms that all libraries are forums for information and ideas, and that the following basic policies should guide their services. I. Books and other library resources should be provided for the interest, information, and enlightenment of all people of the...

www.ala.org

Either I am not understanding what you are saying or you are not understanding what I am saying.

I am suggesting that parents could have a way to be informed of what their children are reading/checking out from the library. If the parent had an issue with that book then they could speak with their children directly.

 

[Father Heathen]

I can see it.

Schools actually are more activist institutions now than learning institutions to a larger extent.

I draw the line at people teaching sex ed to kindergarten classes where students can barely yet draw straight lines and are learning how to use scissors to cut colored construction paper straight for their projects, much less tie their own shoelaces.

Stick to the three R's and let the kids be kids for awhile.

Where is sex ed being taught to kindergarteners? Or is this more hyperbolic nonsense?

 

[Valjean]

Some kids are ready for that “material” (for lack of a better word) at a younger age than others. This is why we have age recommendations on books and why that’s not always explicitly followed.
My cousin grew up around teachers and honestly the classics she was reading make this book look like Green Eggs and Ham lol

Why should books be age restricted? What makes sexual content hard for kids to handle, but murder and mayhem on prime time TV perfectly acceptable?
Kids aren't born with any sense of propriety or appropriateness. They have to be taught what to be shocked by. It's the adults who are uncomfortable with sexual content, it's they who are disturbed by novel ideas, images, behaviors, cultures, &c -- doubtless because they were not familiarized with them at a young age, before their sense of appropriateness hardened.

Treat sexuality as mundane and unremarkable and your kids will never be shocked or disturbed by it; shelter them, and it becomes disturbing and frightening.

I don’t understand why the kid was urged to read this book to his class though. Like what was the point of that?
US style publicity stunts involving school boards seems to be a thing and it’s one that I still don’t understand. Sorry

Conservative politics. "Christian values."
Some people are acutely uncomfortable with unfamiliar or novel situations and behaviors. They don't want to deal with them and would prefer they just went away.

 

[Valjean]

There is no need for this book to be in any school, even high school. If a student wants to read this or a parent wants their child to read this material they can purchase it themselves or go to a public library. What is the purpose of the school district having this book? I took my child out of the public school system because they are not educating our children anymore in public school. People are using the children to promote social issues.

So you're against libraries in school? You want to make it more difficult for kids to learn of new things, challenging ideas, unfamiliar cultures, values, religions, &c?
Isn't the whole purpose of education to expand one's world and familiarize people with things they don't encounter in their own neighborhoods, amongst their own people?

 

[Valjean]

I can see it.

Schools actually are more activist institutions now than learning institutions to a larger extent.

I draw the line at people teaching sex ed to kindergarten classes where students can barely yet draw straight lines and are learning how to use scissors to cut colored construction paper straight for their projects, much less tie their own shoelaces.

Stick to the three R's and let the kids be kids for awhile.

It looks to me like it's the conservative parents and churches that are the activists. They seem to fear expanding their kids' minds and familiarity with the wider world by sheltering them from any ideas they, themselves find unsettling.
Maybe they should just home school the kids so they'll grow up sheltered, insular and threatened -- like themselves.

 

[Valjean]

You know, if schools (let’s say high school age) were to ban any and all books that contain “smutty material” they’d have to get rid of the Western Literary canon.
Might make teaching English a tad hard to do.
There’s nothing bawdier than the classics, as they say ‍
Just saying. Not every book that can be construed as “smut” is without academic merit.

There are some rather salacious passages in the Bible, as well, as I recall.

 

[SomeRandom]

Why should books be age restricted? What makes sexual content hard for kids to handle, but murder and mayhem on prime time TV perfectly acceptable?

Well, that you’re going to have to ask to your American friends, honestly.

Whilst I wouldn’t exactly call Australians very open about sexuality with kids, it does seem to me like we take a much more “European approach” in comparison.
I had a very in depth, science based Sex Ed from a young age through the public education system. Sex and nudity only seem to garner an “M” rating by themselves, which is roughly a PG equivalent for the US.
Indeed I’ve often encountered rather prudish and dare I say very immature responses from many of my US exchanges over the years, regarding the subject. Even now.
From people often older than me!!

Like the US freaks out over a boob, meanwhile we’re horrified by the constant news reports of violence from our American friends.
*shrugs*
Just an observation

 

[SomeRandom]

Where is sex ed being taught to kindergarteners? Or is this more hyperbolic nonsense?

Well, we teach it here in Australian Kindergartens lol. Though at that age level the so called “sex Ed” is actually just what the body parts are called.
And to be honest the curriculum might be more based around enabling children to recognise signs of potential sexual abuse, than anything else.
What is and isn’t appropriate behaviour, what is and isn't a good thing to ask of them etc. Things of that nature.
“Functions” for things tend to wait until the age range of early puberty. At least here

 

[Heyo]

Either I am not understanding what you are saying or you are not understanding what I am saying.

I am suggesting that parents could have a way to be informed of what their children are reading/checking out from the library. If the parent had an issue with that book then they could speak with their children directly.

@Shadow Wolf wrote:

VII. All people, regardless of origin, age, background, or views, possess a right to privacy and confidentiality in their library use. Libraries should advocate for, educate about, and protect people’s privacy, safeguarding all library use data, including personally identifiable information.

What is hard to understand there? The data of the library is confidential. Parents can't view it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

@Shadow Wolf wrote:


What is hard to understand there? The data of the library is confidential. Parents can't view it.

That is an ideal that libraries should strive to and it's non-binding.
It was policy at the university library I worked at.

 

[metis]

So, how can parents supposedly make their own choice for what's good for their kids if certain books aren't even available?

News Flash!: Republican book burning at 9!

 

[Curious George]

@Shadow Wolf wrote:


What is hard to understand there? The data of the library is confidential. Parents can't view it.

That is an incorrect interpretation, especially in the context of a school.

 

[Heyo]

That is an incorrect interpretation, especially in the context of a school.

What's your interpretation? Pupils are not people?

 

[Curious George]

What's your interpretation? Pupils are not people?

That aspirations of providing privacy does not include excluding information on educational material from the educational rights holders.

 

[Heyo]

That aspirations of providing privacy does not include excluding information on educational material from the educational rights holders.

That's like - your opinion, man; not an interpretation.

 

[Curious George]

That's like - your opinion, man; not an interpretation.

You’re like—really reaching, man.

 

[Valjean]

So, how can parents supposedly make their own choice for what's good for their kids if certain books aren't even available?

News Flash!: Republican book burning at 9!

Must not expose children to facts or ideas that make their parents uncomfortable.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Where is sex ed being taught to kindergarteners? Or is this more hyperbolic nonsense?

I never said it's being taught.

I said I was against such a thing. Hence I draw a line.

You need to pay more attention to detail.