A Disturbing Book in the school libary. Read by an 11 year old to the school board.

[Shadow Wolf]

This one, I think:

This movie is called Kids.

Kids (film) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Shadow Wolf]

This one, I think:

I suppose Cruel Intentions would also work, lmao.

 

[Valjean]

I think sex education should be initaited when the girls go see the "movie".

Little kids should concentrate on being little kids and learn to tie their shoelaces and cut construction paper.

Why? Why not educate them before they develop adult hang-ups, whilst their minds are still malleable, and before they learn what to be shocked by? That way they'll grow up without the prurient obsessions and neuroses adults seem to be plagued with.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

They do. It’s typically known as “curriculum.”
That this book was lent out to a child is inappropriate, I agree.

Though not being American, I’m not entirely sure of your age groupings you have in your schools.
Since “Middle School” isn’t really a universal thing in Australia.
We likely have more age overlap, so my schools likely had explicit material. So I feel a bit hypocritical to admonish this school library, to be honest

Middle school where I live is 7-8 grade so 13-14 year old's. It varies a little by area. I think the community that supports that school should decide what is appropriate and what is not.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

The logic that some have expressed already is its nothing that 11 year kids dont already know about.

These are the type of people that probably would condone things like Hustler, Gallery and Penthouse to be included in a school library to that particular age group in a grade school setting.

Parents be damned on what they think on the matter.

That is the mentality of these people who feel they know what's best, other then a child's own parents.




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yeah, my 12 year old does not know about these things and does not need to know yet. We are teaching him about sexuality as we go and as appropriate.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

So you're against libraries in school? You want to make it more difficult for kids to learn of new things, challenging ideas, unfamiliar cultures, values, religions, &c?
Isn't the whole purpose of education to expand one's world and familiarize people with things they don't encounter in their own neighborhoods, amongst their own people?

I never said any of this.

 

[Valjean]

I never said any of this.

So why would you want to pull any of these books from the school library?

 

[Valjean]

yeah, my 12 year old does not know about these things and does not need to know yet. We are teaching him about sexuality as we go and as appropriate.

S/he doesn't "need" to know about maths, reading or history, either.
Isn't it best to teach sex, anatomy, reproduction, &c before adults teach the kids to be shocked by them? Wouldn't this lead to healthy, unashamed, non-neurotic, non-prurient, non-obsessed adults?

Wouldn't teaching kids that sex is shameful, secret, and titillating, before they even learn what it is, lead to obsessive, unhealthy hang-ups as adults?

 

[metis]

Wouldn't teaching kids that sex is shameful, secret, and titillating, before they even learn what it is, lead to obsessive, unhealthy hang-ups as adults?

Oh, you shouldn't have used the word "titillating" as the "culture wars" blind believers might thing that's way too erotic. Should it be erased from all of the dictionaries that the kids use?

 

[Father Heathen]

Oh, you shouldn't have used the word "titillating" as the "culture wars" blind believers might thing that's way too erotic. Should it be erased from all of the dictionaries that the kids use?

Kids shouldn't be using dictionaries at all!

 

[Guitar's Cry]

A good compromise would be a parents approval before acquiring 'sensitive' books.

If I am reading the kid's statement right, it sounds like his dad was there when he checked it out:

“'When I rented it out and showed my dad it, the librarian asked if I wanted more and if I wanted a graphic novel version,' Knox said."

11-year-old reads aloud from ‘pornographic’ book he checked out from library at school board meeting

An 11-year-old in Maine spoke out against “pornographic” content in his middle school and wants the administrators to be prosecuted.

www.google.com

I acknowledge that this could be a misinterpretation of a kid's statement, but consider that his dad has been one if the more vocally assertive parents at these meetings.

Libraries need to be free to provide literature for all students, not just catering to a few.

I mean, if we go by sexual situations or nudity, think of the quality literature that'd be removed from libraries. Have you read Orwell's 1984?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

A good compromise would be a parents approval before acquiring 'sensitive' books.

So any dictionary containing this: sexual intercourse as for what happened when I googled that with a source to a dictionary, then what?

 

[Sand Dancer]

It looks to me like it's the conservative parents and churches that are the activists. They seem to fear expanding their kids' minds and familiarity with the wider world by sheltering them from any ideas they, themselves find unsettling.
Maybe they should just home school the kids so they'll grow up sheltered, insular and threatened -- like themselves.

Yes, I can attest that is often the case. Sheltered kids do not help society. They need to learn how to deal with reality, so it doesn't smack them in the face and they don't know how to act. My son was in Christian schools K-8, and in high school he had no idea about the things that some of the kids did, so he was immediately curious and fell into all of the bad behavior we wanted to shelter him from. He said he wished he would have known about them earlier, so he would have known how to be able to avoid them.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

So why would you want to pull any of these books from the school library?

Because some are inappropriate for kids at certain ages.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

S/he doesn't "need" to know about maths, reading or history, either.
Isn't it best to teach sex, anatomy, reproduction, &c before adults teach the kids to be shocked by them? Wouldn't this lead to healthy, unashamed, non-neurotic, non-prurient, non-obsessed adults?

Wouldn't teaching kids that sex is shameful, secret, and titillating, before they even learn what it is, lead to obsessive, unhealthy hang-ups as adults?

I never said don't teach these topics. Why do you keep misrepresenting things I have said?

 

[metis]

Because some are inappropriate for kids at certain ages.

So, the governors supposedly have that responsibility, such as we see with DeSantis and his cronies and copycats?

 

[Father Heathen]

Because some are inappropriate for kids at certain ages.

Why would learning about biology be "inappropriate"? Is there a rational real world reason, or is it purely arbitrary, cultural, and/or superstitious?

 

[Valjean]

Because some are inappropriate for kids at certain ages.

What are your metrics of appropriateness.

 

[metis]

Why would learning about biology be "inappropriate"? Is there a rational real world reason, or is it purely arbitrary, cultural, and/or superstitious?

What are your metrics of appropriateness.

As you both are aware, many just buy into this "culture wars" nonsense without doing much thinking.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Where is sex ed being taught to kindergarteners? Or is this more hyperbolic nonsense?

Age-appropriate education for kids that age (e.g. proper names for body parts, "good touches" vs. "bad touches", the fundamentals of consent) are technically considered part of the sex ed curriculum here.