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A Disturbing Book in the school libary. Read by an 11 year old to the school board.

Valjean

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With a few recent topics....

What would be an appropriate age to read this book?
What determines appropriateness? Do you see some harm in children reading this book?
What would be an appropriate age that its ok for people strip in front of them?
Don't European children normally see their parents and siblings naked at home?
Aren't German saunas family venues, with both sexes and all ages entirely nude and unsegregated?
Don't finnish schoolchildren sometimes go with their teachers and schoolmates to the school's sauna, in lieu of gym class?
Don't European children see topless women, and men in micro-Speedo's, at the beach, and naked people on TV? Aren't there topless women in magazine and billboard ads?

Has this resulted in any perceivable harm to the children?
Why are children from sexually open societies less "sexualized," less self-conscious, and less sexually obsessed than American kids? Why do they have less sex at a young age and fewer unwanted pregnancies?

Isn't the forbidden fruit always the most tempting?
What would be an appropriate age to view porn?
At the point the viewer realized it's all just fantasy and doesn't reflect reality. This, of course, depends on a child being already familiar with normal, real sex and sexuality.
What would be an appropriate age to have sex?
Physical or psychological age?
Perhaps the age where it would not be either physically or psychologically harmful.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
With a few recent topics....

What would be an appropriate age to read this book?

What would be an appropriate age that its ok for people strip in front of them?

What would be an appropriate age to view porn?

What would be an appropriate age to have sex?
It's when da boys start liking the gals and vice versa.
 

Estro Felino

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What determines appropriateness? Do you see some harm in children reading this book?

Don't European children normally see their parents and siblings naked at home?
Aren't German saunas family venues, with both sexes and all ages entirely nude and unsegregated?
Don't finnish schoolchildren sometimes go with their teachers and schoolmates to the school's sauna, in lieu of gym class?
Don't European children see topless women, and men in micro-Speedo's, at the beach, and naked people on TV? Aren't there topless women in magazine and billboard ads?

Has this resulted in any perceivable harm to the children?
Why are children from sexually open societies less "sexualized," less self-conscious, and less sexually obsessed than American kids? Why do they have less sex at a young age and fewer unwanted pregnancies?

Isn't the forbidden fruit always the most tempting?

At the point the viewer realized it's all just fantasy and doesn't reflect reality. This, of course, depends on a child being already familiar with normal, real sex and sexuality.

Physical or psychological age?
Perhaps the age where it would not be either physically or psychologically harmful.

I would not want to appear petulant or repetitive, but I am convinced there is an agenda whose goal is to advertise homosexual sex and LGBT to prepubescents.
 

Valjean

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Prepubescents have a different brain than adults. Movies are different than books.
There are countless movie scenes that I was not able to understand as a kid. Because they were not that explicit... they were made so adults could understand them, but kids couldn't.
Now I do understand them.

That book was explicit. I don't think that book should be recommended to a prepubescent. Just that.
So the understanding of a scene or passage is somehow harmful? :shrug:
 

SomeRandom

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I would not want to appear petulant or repetitive, but I am convinced there is an agenda whose goal is to advertise homosexual sex and LGBT to prepubescents.
Oh Christ. We were mocking such a viewpoint back in freaking high school. Because only old idiots out of touch with the populace speculated
such idiocy
What are you? 90? Pfft
 

Estro Felino

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To what end;? as commercial commodities?
Wouldn't that be like advertising left-handedness or green eyes?
That book was very explicit.
All right. So you think prepubescents should watch this kind of movies, in the school auditoriums?
Because this movie at least promotes male kids are interested in women.

 
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SomeRandom

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That book was very explicit.
All right. So you think prepubescents should watch this kind of movies, in the school auditoriums?
Because this movie at least promotes male kids are interested in women.




Or erotic content is okay only when it's homosexual?
It seems to me that in the United States there is this drift.
Considering how awful the US sex Ed is compared to literally every country on the planet, maybe he’d be better off lol
 

Estro Felino

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Considering how awful the US sex Ed is compared to literally every country on the planet, maybe he’d be better off lol
Those movies from the eighties show how much pressure was put on male kids, in order to become heterosexual and fascinated by women.

I am not condoning them; I just think that in the US there is the exact opposite drift. :)
That's all.
Because when you see a librarian recommending a graphic version of a homoerotic book...well..
 

Valjean

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That book was very explicit.
All right. So you think prepubescents should watch this kind of movies, in the school auditoriums?
Because this movie at least promotes male kids are interested in women.
Schools should show scholarly films in their classrooms and auditoriums; biology, chemistry, maths, history, music, &c.
I have no problem with literature relevant to civics, art, or social studies in the classroom, either, and what's available to interested individuals in a library should be pretty much unrestricted.

Depicting or discussing sexuality is not promotion. If kids choose to read it and are confused, they can just ask about it. Mere knowledge of it is not harmful.
Or erotic content is okay only when it's homosexual?
It seems to me that in the United States there is this drift.
Huh? Is it the homosexuality that's got your panties in a twist?
Homosexuality exists. heterosexuality exists. So do cars, theft, earthquakes violence, breasts and buttocks. Should we hide these from kids? Should we designate some as forbidden, mysterious and titillating, and others as ho-hum? How should we decide?

As someone living in the US, I see a drift toward greater presentation or acknowledgement of homosexuality, as existential facts, but I don't see anything actually promoting them. These days, it's rare to see anything actually promoted unless someone stands to make a buck on it. :(

I also see a drift on TV toward greater prudishness and less sexual imagery than in the past.
 
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Curious George

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Those movies from the eighties show how much pressure was put on male kids, in order to become heterosexual and fascinated by women.

I am not condoning them; I just think that in the US there is the exact opposite drift. :)
That's all.
Because when you see a librarian recommending a graphic version of a homoerotic book...well..
Graphic novels are a type of genre. I haven’t read the graphic novel of the story in question. Have you? I would be surprised to find it with depictions of fellatio and anal sex. Do you suspect differently?
 

Estro Felino

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Graphic novels are a type of genre. I haven’t read the graphic novel of the story in question. Have you? I would be surprised to find it with depictions of fellatio and anal sex. Do you suspect differently?
I consider everyone free to read whatever they like.
I just think those books don't belong in a middle school library, and shouldn't be recommended to prepubescents.
If those kids want that book, they can read it. Outside of the school.
 

Curious George

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I consider everyone free to read whatever they like.
I just think those books don't belong in a middle school library, and shouldn't be recommended to prepubescents.
If those kids want that book, they can read it. Outside of the school.
But your statement about a graphic version seemed to miss the fact that a “graphic version” is really just a graphic novel and doesn’t entail anything more than pictures. Your comment seems to anticipate that the the pictures, in this case hand drawn cartoons, somehow depict something more “graphic” than is in the book. You are playing with the word graphic here.

I have no objection to schools picking what books are in their library. If parents have a problem with their children reading the book they can note their concern politely with the district and otherwise focus on parenting—that is make sure the children know what their families’ expectations are as far as accessing media. Parents can parent and schools can school. I would have no objections to an 11-14 year old reading that book.
 

SomeRandom

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Those movies from the eighties show how much pressure was put on male kids, in order to become heterosexual and fascinated by women.

I am not condoning them; I just think that in the US there is the exact opposite drift. :)
That's all.
Because when you see a librarian recommending a graphic version of a homoerotic book...well..
That’s the idiotic reaction I’m reacting to
The US are so puritanical that it’s hard not to mock their outdated ractions
Apologies but it’s true
 

Estro Felino

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That’s the idiotic reaction I’m reacting to
The US are so puritanical that it’s hard not to mock their outdated ractions
Apologies but it’s true
Maybe I am overreacting, I don't know.
It's just that school should always find a compromise with parents. :)
 

Valjean

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Those movies from the eighties show how much pressure was put on male kids, in order to become heterosexual and fascinated by women.

I am not condoning them; I just think that in the US there is the exact opposite drift. :)
That's all.
Because when you see a librarian recommending a graphic version of a homoerotic book...well..
These days I'd be gobsmacked just to see a school librarian.
The library budgets seem to be going to armed security guards and metal detectors. :rolleyes:
 

Estro Felino

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These days I'd be gobsmacked just to see a school librarian.
The library budgets seem to be going to armed security guards and metal detectors. :rolleyes:
Can you believe that we have never had something like that...not even in primary school?
No second amendment...so...
 

SomeRandom

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Tbh
Maybe I am overreacting, I don't know.
It's just that school should always find a compromise with parents. :)
idk. Parents can be too uptight.
I’m not saying you’re wrong because I agree with you, just that there are some scenarios where not agreeing with a parent might actually be beneficial for the child
 

Estro Felino

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Too much parental involvement and you'll just reproduce their puritanical attitudes and sex obsession in the kids.
I grew up in the nineties.
I vividly recall that our teachers used to teach us some good old values. Love, friendship, romance, etc...

There's no repression at all, because kids are taught sex education both by the school psychologist and by the biology teacher.
 
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