A Disturbing Book in the school libary. Read by an 11 year old to the school board.

[VoidCat]

Didn't this occur at a Community College?

It did but I will say most community colleges here in NC take high schoolers for early college. That's probably why parents are outraged. Also they mentioned that girl was a teen I wonder if she was underage.


However most drag shows geared towards elementary and primary school are nothing like this there's no sexual elements. They remove all the adult themes from the show and just have cross dressing and reading.

 

[Father Heathen]

Bugs bunny can't actually straddle the childern.

This was at a collage, so not children. Still, if inappropriate behavior the individual rather than the community is to blame. Otherwise we should be shutting down every church due to child molesting priests. Statistically, a child is far more likely to be abused at a church than at a drag show.
Besides, you said earlier in this very thread that it doesn't matter to you if children get abused because "they'll survive."

 

[metis]

Someone I know has a theory whereas the reason why the Pubs want books banned from children is so they grow to be ignorant adults so they vote Republican.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Only in this day and age.

Good lord how did people ever survive back in the day?

• 1 in 5 girls and 1 in 20 boys is a victim of child sexual abuse;
• Self-report studies show that 20% of adult females and 5-10% of adult males recall a childhood sexual assault or sexual abuse incident;
• During a one-year period in the U.S., 16% of youth ages 14 to 17 had been sexually victimized;
• Over the course of their lifetime, 28% of U.S. youth ages 14 to 17 had been sexually victimized;
• Children are most vulnerable to CSA between the ages of 7 and 13.

According to a 2003 National Institute of Justice report, 3 out of 4 adolescents who have been sexually assaulted were victimized by someone they knew well (page 5).

Child Sexual Abuse Statistics – The National Center for Victims of Crime

victimsofcrime.org

 

[Twilight Hue]

• 1 in 5 girls and 1 in 20 boys is a victim of child sexual abuse;
• Self-report studies show that 20% of adult females and 5-10% of adult males recall a childhood sexual assault or sexual abuse incident;
• During a one-year period in the U.S., 16% of youth ages 14 to 17 had been sexually victimized;
• Over the course of their lifetime, 28% of U.S. youth ages 14 to 17 had been sexually victimized;
• Children are most vulnerable to CSA between the ages of 7 and 13.

According to a 2003 National Institute of Justice report, 3 out of 4 adolescents who have been sexually assaulted were victimized by someone they knew well (page 5).

Child Sexual Abuse Statistics – The National Center for Victims of Crime

victimsofcrime.org

Sounds about right.

It's why I said it's appropriate when they show girls the "movie".

 

[SkepticThinker]

Sounds about right.

It's why I said it's appropriate when they show girls the "movie".

I think that demonstrates the fact that the very type of sex ed you are against is actually desperately needed.

By the way, psychologists don't use "the doll" anymore.

 

[Valjean]

Someone I know has a theory whereas the reason why the Pubs want books banned from children is so they grow to be ignorant adults so they vote Republican.

I doubt your average Republican plans that many steps ahead. I see it as mostly an artifact of Republican conventionalism. They already see the world as a more threatening place than Democrats or liberals. They tend to shelter their children from the unfamiliar, from complex ideas, unconventional behaviors or appearances that they, themselves find threatening.

 

[Valjean]

• 1 in 5 girls and 1 in 20 boys is a victim of child sexual abuse;
• Self-report studies show that 20% of adult females and 5-10% of adult males recall a childhood sexual assault or sexual abuse incident;
• During a one-year period in the U.S., 16% of youth ages 14 to 17 had been sexually victimized;
• Over the course of their lifetime, 28% of U.S. youth ages 14 to 17 had been sexually victimized;
• Children are most vulnerable to CSA between the ages of 7 and 13.

According to a 2003 National Institute of Justice report, 3 out of 4 adolescents who have been sexually assaulted were victimized by someone they knew well (page 5).

Child Sexual Abuse Statistics – The National Center for Victims of Crime

victimsofcrime.org

Which is a good argument for early exposure to sex, to avoid the development of the obsessive, predatory sexuality that leads to these abuses.

 

[metis]

Which is a good argument for early exposure to sex, to avoid the development of the obsessive, predatory sexuality that leads to these abuses.

Yes, and my wife agreed that our kids would be told the general process once they asked the right questions, and whichever was asked of us would have to answer. Our oldest daughter asked when she was 4 [a gradual process], and I had the "honors". Our youngest asked when 6, and our son when he was 8.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Which is a good argument for early exposure to sex, to avoid the development of the obsessive, predatory sexuality that leads to these abuses.

Agreed!

 

[SomeRandom]

Sounds about right.

It's why I said it's appropriate when they show girls the "movie".

What movie?

Also, you realise that the psychological community has been advocating for sex Ed as a way to fight against sexual abuse of children for like the last 50 years or so?

Like statistics have consistently shown the number of sexually abused children decreases with in depth proper sexual health education at an earlier age.

I thought people wanted a decrease in such a statistic?

 

[SomeRandom]

You left out watch drag shows.

Every time I think of that I wonder why they want kids as an audience.

But that is a horse of a different color

Okay since when did drag become so controversial?
Barry Humphries has been entertaining children, worldwide even, in drag for like 60 years!!!
(Dame Edna Everage.)

It’s even a long-standing traditional element of theatre!!
Peter Pan is traditionally played by a girl.
Not to mention that in Shakespeare’s day, all women roles were literally played by men in drag. Which was the tradition that lasted literally centuries!

Like if anything, drag story time, is a traditional pastime!

 

[Estro Felino]

Just remember they got this from people who insist evolution is entirely false and that their god just poofed everything into existence a few thousand years ago, amd it's largely and mostly the same people doing this who have been fighting against evolution.
And stupid publicity stunts are their only option and sanity, reason and logic are not with them and thus they can't ever win doing things like a proper person.

I studied evolution at the seventh grade, but the school library didn't have books like that.
It was the earthly paradise: books about astronomy, poetry, geography, history.

 

[Estro Felino]

That's the kind of movies our middle school teacher used to let us watch in the school auditorium.

 

[Estro Felino]

What movie?

Also, you realise that the psychological community has been advocating for sex Ed as a way to fight against sexual abuse of children for like the last 50 years or so?

Like statistics have consistently shown the number of sexually abused children decreases with in depth proper sexual health education at an earlier age.

I thought people wanted a decrease in such a statistic?

I think the context is what matters
That book should not be recommended to a middle-schooler, in my humble opinion.

If swearing is ok for a middle-schooler's reading, then why isn't it allowed on a public forum where we are all over 18?

 

[We Never Know]

No commentary. Just letting the vid stand on its own as it plays out.

The debate will obviously manifest itself after viewing the school board video.

With a few recent topics....

What would be an appropriate age to read this book?

What would be an appropriate age that its ok for people strip in front of them?

What would be an appropriate age to view porn?

What would be an appropriate age to have sex?

 

[SomeRandom]

I think the context is what matters
That book should not be recommended to a middle-schooler, in my humble opinion.

If swearing is ok for a middle-schooler's reading, then why isn't it allowed on a public forum where we are all over 18?

I’m Australian, so this question probably isn’t good for me lol
I grew up with swearing in everyday life. From ads to tv to books. It’s a common part of life here from a young age
Besides I’d imagine that what we show our youth all the time scandalises the puritanical Americans lol

 

[Estro Felino]

Why should books be age restricted? What makes sexual content hard for kids to handle, but murder and mayhem on prime time TV perfectly acceptable?
Kids aren't born with any sense of propriety or appropriateness. They have to be taught what to be shocked by. It's the adults who are uncomfortable with sexual content, it's they who are disturbed by novel ideas, images, behaviors, cultures, &c -- doubtless because they were not familiarized with them at a young age, before their sense of appropriateness hardened.

Treat sexuality as mundane and unremarkable and your kids will never be shocked or disturbed by it; shelter them, and it becomes disturbing and frightening.


Conservative politics. "Christian values."
Some people are acutely uncomfortable with unfamiliar or novel situations and behaviors. They don't want to deal with them and would prefer they just went away.

Prepubescents have a different brain than adults. Movies are different than books.
There are countless movie scenes that I was not able to understand as a kid. Because they were not that explicit... they were made so adults could understand them, but kids couldn't.
Now I do understand them.

That book was explicit. I don't think that book should be recommended to a prepubescent. Just that.

 

[Valjean]

I think the context is what matters
That book should not be recommended to a middle-schooler, in my humble opinion.

If swearing is ok for a middle-schooler's reading, then why isn't it allowed on a public forum where we are all over 18?

I think most non-American public fora and news outlets do allow it.

 

[Estro Felino]

I think most non-American public fora and news outlets do allow it.

Ah, for sure. On National TV here (I mean the TV owned by the State) swearing is never bleeped out.