A huge problem with the JW religion:

[sojourner]

99% of mortals are blind as bats, living in darkness--there is no universal consensus. The real teachers that Jesus appointed have truth revealed through them. 1 single religion.

Of course there’s consensus. You just discount it — just as you discount apostolic authority. Again, this rabid rebellion against any sort of authority or expertise is a “safety valve” against the reality of your own blindness.

 

[sojourner]

The word of God is clear. No one will ever say I am sick in Gods kingdom. Gods real plan for mortals and his earth. His original plan.

Sorry. The Bible never mentions cancer or its origin. This is nothing more than your own creative fairy tale.

 

[sojourner]

Because they do not have Jesus-- they have lies handed down for the last 1750 years

Proof, please. You don’t have any proof that this statement is true. It may be your belief, but, as we’ve seen, you’re beliefs are skewed where reality is concerned.

How do those self respecting scholars get by the facts and the teachings of Jesus that prove them absolutely wrong?

They don’t “get by” them. I can’t imagine why you believe that they do.

They do pull in billions every year lying to humans that practice sin and tell them--you are saved or born again( its pure lie, and they know it)--truth would stop that

I don’t know what “reality show” you’ve been watching on Hulu, but this simply isn’t the case.

undeniable fact= Every bible writer was taught a single being God--When Jesus attended the Israelite places of worship his first 30 years was taught a single being God

No one’s disputing that God is One, or that God’s Being is One. No one. I can’t imagine why you think otherwise, unless someone’s been filling your head with creative reality.

 

[sojourner]

God does not forgive--the unrepentant.

God’s forgiveness is always available. Always. The shepherd looks for the lost sheep until he finds it. The father waits at the door until the prodigal returns home. Until. Did you read that? Until. A God who gives up on the humanity God created is no God at all.. I’d be getting myself a God if I were you, since you seem to want to believe in one.

 

[Audie]

They’ve also discounted huge swatches of it. Yes, some of the history is correct, but much is simply myth and metaphor.

More to the point than that archaeology etc can
show some parts of refer to real persons and
places, NONE of the supernatural stuff can
be detected, anywhere.

And without that, it is not much but a semi
historical account with a bit of poetry and
a lot of magic realism.

 

[sojourner]

John 20:17, Rev 3:12--No you don't.

Yah. We do. It’s you, I’m afraid, who is woefully confused about the doctrine of the Trinity. More’s the pity.

 

[sojourner]

That is what the darkness teaches.

That is what reality teaches. Your scary claims of darkness and being led astray are merely your projections.

 

[sojourner]

Its not abuse only in false reasonings of ones who point the finger everywhere but at self. Being stoned to death one can never repent. Being disfellowshipped--one can repent and turn back. Its all on self to do so. Self is the blame for being disfellowshipped--no one elses. They point the finger at every one else.

Beating someone into a confession is beating someone into a confession — no matter what pretty, churchy nomenclature is pasted onto it. Disfellowshipping someone is deprivation, and deprivation is abuse. It’s what was done to black slaves in America in the 19th century. It’s what Germany did to Jews in the 20th. Now religious groups are doing it to people whom they would coerce into a certain viewpoint. It’s insidious, it’s abusive, and it’s evil. Take away friends, family, emotional support and then wait them out until they can’t stand it anymore, and would say anything they think the group want to hear, just to get their relationships restored. Jesus certainly would not approve of such tactics of coercion.

“Being ‘disfellowshipped’ — one is expected to crack and return to the ‘party line.’” That’s what it really is. It’s not all on the self, because it’s not all about the self — life is about relationship. God lives in the spaces between us, and when you deprive someone of that space, you deprive someone of. God. The group has taken way God — not the individual. And then the finger is pointed at the individual, casting aspersions on her or his “spiritual condition.”

 

[sojourner]

I know I state facts--over 50 years of study into facts.

I believe you’ve spent the last 50 years learning the wrong lessons about what is “fact” and what is “belief,” how to tell the difference, and what foundational evidence drives each.

 

[sojourner]

Well then. What is your problem--Jesus is 100% clear at John 17:1-6,26--The one who sent him= Father( John 5:30) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD. verse 6 = YHVH(Jehovah) 26 = YHVH(Jehovah)

Why do you refuse to believe him, just like the blind guide scholars you listen to??? WHY????

Why do you insist on reading the text wrong??? WHY??? You know, a reasonable foundation in theology would go a long, long way toward helping you understand the theology that undergirds what Jesus is saying here.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You don't know reality. You listen to other mortals who appease your false reasonings.

Why do you keep breaking the Ninth Commandment? You probably do not understand it. I do know. Unlike you I can support my case. You are accusing others of your sins. You do not seem to know and are afraid to discuss. But then the JW is like a cult. Members are not allowed to reason.

You cannot prove a single refutation.

Of course I can. Let's discuss one. Do you believe the Noah's Ark myth?

God requires shunning. He said--do not even eat a meal with one who was called a brother( baptized) who becomes unrepentant. They have become apart of this world that Jesus said to be no part of.
Any who knows Gods view of a cult knows the trinity religions = Mark 3:24-26) a house divided will not stand-all 34,000 of them.
1 Cor 1:10-- a true mark--Unity of thought, no division.= JW,s
Any wise one can see its FACT.

No, it does not. You are ignoring the teachings of Jesus. Right now you are acting more like a Paulist than a Christian.

Where in your mind?

No, again you do not understand your own book of myths. Pick one and we can discuss it. Or is denial all that you have?

 

[sojourner]

God requires shunning. He said--do not even eat a meal with one who was called a brother( baptized) who becomes unrepentant. They have become apart of this world that Jesus said to be no part of.
Any who knows Gods view of a cult knows the trinity religions = Mark 3:24-26) a house divided will not stand-all 34,000 of them.
1 Cor 1:10-- a true mark--Unity of thought, no division.= JW,s
Any wise one can see its FACT.

1) In what way are the ones you all “disfellowship” guilty of a sin? What is the sin?
2) But the JWs haven’t distanced themselves (read: divided from) the apostolic faith at all? In truth, you folks are guiltier than than those who’ve formed other expressions of the apostolic faith. At least we still recognize the Apostles’ teaching and fellowship (as Paul instructs in the Bible).

 

[kjw47]

I doubt anything can be proved to you, other than
what you have chosen to believe, in which case
any old proof will do.

However, for those who are more capable, the
disproof of "flood" is so vast that one hardly knows where
to start.

And no purpose in starting with someone who is 100%
certain.

Maybe this is just a reminder that the god you profess
to worship is said to have a rule or two about spreading
falsehoods.

Who says no flood occurred= scientist with their gross misuse of science and math have polluted the whole world in their darkness. A huge hole in the ozone layer causing havoc weather affecting every human on earth. Cancer being sold to us even though they know it. You keep listening to them and see where that gets you.

 

[Audie]

Who says no flood occurred= scientist with their gross misuse of science and math have polluted the whole world in their darkness. A huge hole in the ozone layer causing havoc weather affecting every human on earth. Cancer being sold to us even though they know it. You keep listening to them and see where that gets you.

Goodness gracious, what an outburst.

Good to see how you mangle the English language,
it lets us see how well educated you are.

 

[kjw47]

And yet, the Bible tells us that jesus died for the sin of the world — not just “some” sin only.

Orthodox doctrine disagrees with you, and that orthodoxy is well within apostolic authority, which you have chosen to ignore. I can’t imagine why.

The orthodox do not know Jesus or his Fathers will. Here is Gods view--Acts 3:19--REPENT to get sins blotted out---Do not your teachers understand English? Its absolutely rotten the blind guides who mislead away from God.

 

[kjw47]

Goodness gracious, what an outburst.

Just facts of reality.

 

[kjw47]

Math is one way of ordering truth. But I doubt that God carries a calculator and a scratch pad.

God doesn't need a calculator or scratch pad. Ask any scientist on earth not one thing comes to be unless a mathematical equation came first.

 

[Audie]

The orthodox do not know Jesus or his Fathers will. Here is Gods view--Acts 3:19--REPENT to get sins blotted out---Do not your teachers understand English? absolutely rotten the blind guides who mislead away from God.

Speaking of blind. You are too funny.

 

[kjw47]

They’ve also discounted huge swatches of it. Yes, some of the history is correct, but much is simply myth and metaphor.

No matter which way one looks, it comes down to believing words of other men.

 

[kjw47]

Speaking of blind. You are too funny.

Acts 3:19 says the Orthodox are in error of reality. Its these kind of teachers telling others they are saved--it is not truth. Even Paul said-- There is no sacrifice for any who practice a sin. The only way to stop doing the sin is to REPENT.