A letter to the Atheists

[TashaN]

I know many atheists who are good people and they raise their children with good family values.

What we say in here have nothing to do with morality and with being good or bad. It's just about the existance of God.

 

[TashaN]

Can't argue with this paragon (uh, I mean parody) of logic, so I think I shall use it!

The attempt to prove the existence of God presupposes the truth that God doesn't exist. Otherwise, why would any believer make the attempt to advance such assertations?

Yay! I win!

I really fail to see how the existence of a viewpoint against a thing is proof of a thing.

Because if you believe that God doesn't exist so why to argue about it and prove that he doesn't exist.

For instance, if there is no UFO on earth so why to write a book about it explaining in details why it's impossible to have UFO on earth.

 

[Rough_ER]

Because if you believe that God doesn't exist so why to argue about it and prove that he doesn't exist.

For instance, if there is no UFO on earth so why to write a book about it explaining in details why it's impossible to have UFO on earth.

Because God is getting people killed, causing wars and making us hate each other. (Of course God actually isn't doing these things. But our belief in him, and all things that follow from that, can cause a lot of horrible things.) The existance/non-existance of God is very important to everyone, even if they don't appreciate it. Just my two cents.

Dave x

 

[TashaN]

Because God is getting people killed, causing wars and making us hate each other. (Of course God actually isn't doing these things. But our belief in him, and all things that follow from that, can cause a lot of horrible things.) The existance/non-existance of God is very important to everyone, even if they don't appreciate it. Just my two cents.

Dave x

How come the belief in God cause these horrible things and he said thou shall not kill "for instance"?

Believe me, even if there was no one believe in God, people would still fight. Actually, people do fight most of the time for land and gold (oil nowadays), and they claim that God told them to do so as an excuse.

Why to blame God then for what we do by our own hands?

 

[doppelganger]

Why to blame God then for what we do by our own hands?

In what manner do we have the power to do things by our own hands?

 

[Rough_ER]

How come the belief in God cause these horrible things and he said thou shall not kill "for instance"?

Believe me, even if there was no one believe in God, people would still fight. Actually, people do fight most of the time for land and gold (oil nowadays), and they claim that God told them to do so as an excuse.

Why to blame God then for what we do by our own hands?

Oh come on, we all know that God is never clear about his position on murder.

True, without religion there would be fighting and murder and horrible things, I'm not saying there wouldn't be. Humans are perfectly capable of being evil without religion. I just think that believing in a God that encourages the stoning of homosexuals, for example, can only be bad. Any religion that contains such stuff can't be good for humanity, in my opinion.

I don't blame God for anything, I blame his creators and his believers.

 

[mr.guy]

Because if you believe that God doesn't exist so why to argue about it and prove that he doesn't exist.

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For instance, if there is no UFO on earth so why to write a book about it explaining in details why it's impossible to have UFO on earth.

If one had noticed that belief in UFO's was prevalent and popular and led people to write laws to persecute or marginalize non-believers, one might take it upon oneself to address the foibles in such belief. Were this the case, one ought to, if able, confront this dangerous and pervasive myth to neuter, diminish or dismiss it; we shouldn't have to live by laws of anyone's imaginary friends.

 

[Tiberius]

Because if you believe that God doesn't exist so why to argue about it and prove that he doesn't exist.

For instance, if there is no UFO on earth so why to write a book about it explaining in details why it's impossible to have UFO on earth.

Because there is nothing more important than THE TRUTH.

And if the truth is that there is no God, then any belief that there IS a God is nothing more than self delusion.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Because there is nothing more important than THE TRUTH.

To you. I tend to believe so to, but only when I'm sure I know the truth. Epistemologically, it's hard to tell sometimes. I take the whole Cartesian Dualism seriously, and say that there are two truths, that of the objective world, and that of the subjective self.

And if the truth is that there is no God, then any belief that there IS a God is nothing more than self delusion.

It would be, by the definition of delusion. But will we ever know for sure if the truth is no God? Okay, that was rather agnostic of me (), but seriously, there is always room enough for someone who wishes to believe in God to do so, even with the knowledge that that God probably doesn't exist. We self-delude ourselves all the time. Look at all the people who find Pamela Anderson attractive? (Now THAT'S subjective!)

 

[TashaN]

In what manner do we have the power to do things by our own hands?

Human beings for instance can murder and blame it to God.

I don't blame God for anything, I blame his creators and his believers.

So because of some of those who believe in him, you deny his existance?

If one had noticed that belief in UFO's was prevalent and popular and led people to write laws to persecute or marginalize non-believers, one might take it upon oneself to address the foibles in such belief. Were this the case, one ought to, if able, confront this dangerous and pervasive myth to neuter, diminish or dismiss it; we shouldn't have to live by laws of anyone's imaginary friends.

Only if he/she have somthing to offer. Usually those who deny the existance of God, they just don't buy it based on their doubts and assumptions only but not based on plain and clear truth.

In short, anyone who might deny UFO for instance might be sure of it but not in the case with the issue of the existance of God. They have nothing except doubts and assumptions as i said before.

Because there is nothing more important than THE TRUTH.

And if the truth is that there is no God, then any belief that there IS a God is nothing more than self delusion.

And how do you know what is the truth?

Just because you don't see the chair in the other room so that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

 

[doppelganger]

Human beings for instance can murder and blame it to God.

That doesn't answer my question. By what means can we do things of our own volition?

 

[TashaN]

That doesn't answer my question. By what means can we do things of our own volition?

Neither do i understand your question well, it appears to be so. Can you please elaborate so i can understand what you mean excatly or just stretch your question a little bit.

 

[Tiberius]

To you. I tend to believe so to, but only when I'm sure I know the truth. Epistemologically, it's hard to tell sometimes. I take the whole Cartesian Dualism seriously, and say that there are two truths, that of the objective world, and that of the subjective self.

You mean what is really true and what you think is true?

When it comes to objective truth (which is the REAL truth - reality doesn't alter at the whim of individuals), what a person thinks doesn't mean squat.

A person can believe the world is really just the back of a poodle, but that's still wrong.

It would be, by the definition of delusion. But will we ever know for sure if the truth is no God? Okay, that was rather agnostic of me (), but seriously, there is always room enough for someone who wishes to believe in God to do so, even with the knowledge that that God probably doesn't exist. We self-delude ourselves all the time. Look at all the people who find Pamela Anderson attractive? (Now THAT'S subjective!)

But when someone says, "Well, let's just say God did it" when faced with a question that science can't yet answer, that's not striving for the truth. It's just coming up with an answer that doesn't really tell us anything and not trying to go any further.

So if there is no God, attributing anything science can't explain to that non-existant deity is not only delusional, but it is the worst kind of intellectual dishonesty.

And how do you know what is the truth?

Just because you don't see the chair in the other room so that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

So? There are ways to test if there is a chair in the other room.

 

[TashaN]

So? There are ways to test if there is a chair in the other room.

As there is ways to check if there is God or not.

 

[Tiberius]

As there is ways to check if there is God or not.

And what, pray tell, is this method for testing if God exists? How do you determine that any positive result isn't the result of a delusion?

 

[rasor]

No there isn't.At least none that I have incounted in the last 59 + years.

 

[TashaN]

And what, pray tell, is this method for testing if God exists? How do you determine that any positive result isn't the result of a delusion?

Because it's based on plain facts and proofs.

 

[TashaN]

No there isn't.At least none that I have incounted in the last 59 + years.

Maybe you didn't meet the right logic to convience you about it.

 

[Fluffy]

As there is ways to check if there is God or not.

Can you give me a method that I can try out for myself? Is it designed to determine whether some sort of supernatural being exists or the deity of a specific religion?

 

[doppelganger]

Neither do i understand your question well, it appears to be so. Can you please elaborate so i can understand what you mean excatly or just stretch your question a little bit.

Do humans have a power of free and independent choice and action?