A majority of Muslims in England are against free speech, according to a poll

[England my lionheart]

ok,what about Bosnia?!!
what about Europian jews when Europe sent them on ships to settle in Palastine??
and Britain who gave them what it doesn't own?
what about France in Algeria,one million person killed?
it's very long list...

What about Turkey who were the last rulers of Palestine before the British,strange they didn't try too hard to get it back and Britain alone suffered from over 3 million casualties during WW1 and Palestine was our mandate,ok Britain made a mess of it but not on its own,it had a lot of help from ignorance.

even long time before that
what about Andalus (Spain now) where muslims were cleansed,after we made it the best place on the earth?

Cordoba is beatiful and in my top ten buildings

 

[Mohamed]

Cordoba is beatiful and in my top ten buildings

worse than that,they even deny that all great things there thanks to muslims

 

[England my lionheart]

really?!!!
what a strange analysis
the word Palastine revealed when islamists rised,but not when israel was established??!!!!
islamists are bad guys because they abuse Palastine case?,should they just neglect it or what?!!

No they should not neglect it but after 80 years the Islamist path has failed,after 80 years of something not working it might be advisable to make some changes.

palastinians don't know thier enimies??!!! really?!
who could it be??

Sometimes you have to look inwards IMO

and what's wrong about Banna,Qutb,MB,six hours war???
it's all egyptian issues,the palastine case is clear don't muddle it

Whats wrong with Al Banna and Qutb,read their books and form an opinion,as for the wars,Israel has fought 6 wars and its still there,Israel has been hit with everything from suicide Bombers to Rockets and its still there,when the Arab world acknowledges the obvious then perhaps there can be some progress.

 

[England my lionheart]

worse than that,they even deny that all great things there thanks to muslims

I wouldn't deny that,i think Andalusia was the pinnacle of Islam

 

[Mohamed]

Whats wrong with Al Banna and Qutb,read their books and form an opinion,as for the wars,Israel has fought 6 wars and its still there,Israel has been hit with everything from suicide Bombers to Rockets and its still there,when the Arab world acknowledges the obvious then perhaps there can be some progress.

and what's bad about that?
israel tried to send palastinian out but they still there
tried to remove Gaza and to make people of Gaza to leave it to Sinai but they still there
tried to finish the resistance (Hamas,Hezballh) but they still there
tried to take Sinai but we got it back

and you only talked about wars,but see how many times they went for peace but nothing happened
till now arabs are calling for peace on 67 borders but Israel refuses

but all that while arabs were at thier worst point over the history
now that's not going to continue,obviously we are going to improve far from this point
it's very strange that Israeli leaders can't see that
seems they only have one way in politics,wars along the way
that didn't help them before,and will be suicide for them in the future

 

[England my lionheart]

and what's bad about that?
israel tried to send palastinian out but they still there
tried to remove Gaza and to make people of Gaza to leave it to Sinai but they still there
tried to finish the resistance (Hamas,Hezballh) but they still there
tried to take Sinai but we got it back

Yes they are still there but what do they really have to do with Palestinian Statehood

and you only talked about wars,but see how many times they went for peace but nothing happened

I like this,how many times have Palestine sued for peace

till now arabs are calling for peace on 67 borders but Israel refuses
all that while arabs were at thier worst point over the history
now that's not going to continue,obviously we are going to improve far from this point

I would be interested to see how this will improve

it's very strange that Israeli leaders can't see that
seems they only have one way in politics,wars along the way
that didn't help them before,and will be suicide for them in the future

Just like its been for the last 80 years,really,i doubt it

 

[jarofthoughts]

ok,what about Bosnia?!!

The Bosnian conflict (1992-1995) can hardly be seen as a 'Westerners treating Muslims unfairly seeing as the Muslim groups there can trace their presence back to the 15th century. This was an internal ethnic battle, and I might add, one that got general scorn from the rest of Europe and the world.
Milosevic was also charged by the UN for genocide, which I would say is a very strong indicator that the 'West' did not exactly approve of his actions.

what about Europian jews when Europe sent them on ships to settle in Palastine??

That was a decision made by the UN, and it is important to note, a decision that has been widely criticised in Europe. Still, I'm willing to chalk that up as unfair, even if the issue is a very complicated one. In relation to the Palestine issue, it must also be said that the Palestinians haven't exactly been fairly treated by their Muslim neighbours either.

and Britain who gave them what it doesn't own?

This goes back to WWI, in much different times, however you are partly right. The UN decision to establish Israel, however, cannot be said to be solely a British decision seeing as some 33 member countries voted in favour of the resolution.

what about France in Algeria,one million person killed?
it's very long list...

The French-Algerian war is a very complicated issue that can hardly be chalked up as a the 'West vs Muslims' conflict. I won't go into the details here as treating this issue fairly would involve writing a full blown article, but if you read up on it I'm sure you will see that it was nowhere near as simple as that.

even long time before that
what about Andalus (Spain now) where muslims were cleansed,after we made it the best place on the earth?

So we're back at the 15th century?

Look, can you give me any examples of Muslims being treated unfairly NOW in Europe or Scandinavia? It's not as if we can do anything about the stuff that happened 500 years ago, but if you have anything to bring to the table that is relevant now, perhaps we can discuss them?

 

[Marble]

weren't they?!!
you really don't see that Europe and USA fighted islam in all ways?!

If that is so, why do Muslims enjoy freedom of assembly, are allowed to build mosques and have religious schools in Europe and the USA?
In many Islamic countries religious minorities suffer from persecution that is unknown to Muslims in Europe/USA.

 

[Mohamed]

If that is so, why do Muslims enjoy freedom of assembly, are allowed to build mosques and have religious schools in Europe and the USA?
In many Islamic countries religious minorities suffer from persecution that is unknown to Muslims in Europe/USA.

where do miniorities suffer in the arab world??!!
never happened

you consider that having muslims living with you is a sign that you are blameless?

 

[Marble]

where do miniorities suffer in the arab world??!!
never happened

In Pakistan Hindus and Christians suffer from attacks of Muslims.
In Iran the Baha'i are discriminated.
In Saudi Arabia it is forbidden to even posses a bible.
In Turkey it is difficult for Christians to even renovate their churches.

you consider that having muslims living with you is a sign that you are blameless?

No country/person/institution is or will ever be blameless.
I just say that your statement "you really don't see that Europe and USA fighted islam in all ways" is wrong.

 

[England my lionheart]

and what's bad about that?
israel tried to send palastinian out but they still there
tried to remove Gaza and to make people of Gaza to leave it to Sinai but they still there
tried to finish the resistance (Hamas,Hezballh) but they still there
tried to take Sinai but we got it back

They are indeed still there,in a situation that could have been so different if they had chosen a different path to peace,as it is though they are still stuck on a roundabout.

and you only talked about wars,but see how many times they went for peace but nothing happened
till now arabs are calling for peace on 67 borders but Israel refuses

A question for you,would Islam go back to the borders of Mecca,doubful really,so why should Israel go back to the 67 borders,why should they cede land to a people who have repeatedly attacked them with no hope of anything different any time soon,the only good thing to say about Fatah is that they changed their Charter to be less aggressive but Hamas will never change theirs and they will be the sticking point in any kind of attempt at peace IMO.


but all that while arabs were at thier worst point over the history
now that's not going to continue,obviously we are going to improve far from this point

So who's fault is that ?,are you going to blame everything and everyone else for the Arabs worse point in history.

it's very strange that Israeli leaders can't see that
seems they only have one way in politics,wars along the way
that didn't help them before,and will be suicide for them in the future

Incredible

 

[Mohamed]

In Pakistan Hindus and Christians suffer from attacks of Muslims.
In Iran the Baha'i are discriminated.
In Saudi Arabia it is forbidden to even posses a bible.
In Turkey it is difficult for Christians to even renovate their churches.

No country/person/institution is or will ever be blameless.
I just say that your statement "you really don't see that Europe and USA fighted islam in all ways" is wrong.

Pakistan i don't know
iran i'm with you they are wrong,but not like how the west shows them
Saudia Arabia it's a country based on the religion,like Vatican,can't be blamed for that
Turkey it's a totaly secular country,how come the chrisitans be oppressed there?


and all what you said is only about churches and things like this,but nobody be tortured or prisoned or such things that only happens in USA prisons

just look at US wars now,where does it fight?
Iraq,Afhanistan,Pakistan,and (for me) Palastine
it's clear

 

[Mohamed]

The Bosnian conflict (1992-1995) can hardly be seen as a 'Westerners treating Muslims unfairly seeing as the Muslim groups there can trace their presence back to the 15th century. This was an internal ethnic battle, and I might add, one that got general scorn from the rest of Europe and the world.
Milosevic was also charged by the UN for genocide, which I would say is a very strong indicator that the 'West' did not exactly approve of his actions.


i can't see where else could that happen in Europe
ofcourse no where because it's the only islamic country in Europe
they stopped the war after more than 3 years,thousand of deaths,and unbelievable massacres


That was a decision made by the UN, and it is important to note, a decision that has been widely criticised in Europe. Still, I'm willing to chalk that up as unfair, even if the issue is a very complicated one. In relation to the Palestine issue, it must also be said that the Palestinians haven't exactly been fairly treated by their Muslim neighbours either.

how they were not failry treated from muslim nieghbours?,if u mean about Egypt and the seige,i only say that we (egyptians) were not fairly treated by this regieme lol,and who supported Mubarak by the way???!!,yes,US and Europe all the way



This goes back to WWI, in much different times, however you are partly right. The UN decision to establish Israel, however, cannot be said to be solely a British decision seeing as some 33 member countries voted in favour of the resolution.

the funny thing that the united nation that time was almost nothing but Europe and US and some few countries else,and by the way,back to Belfur declaration i think Britian was the main player in this case

The French-Algerian war is a very complicated issue that can hardly be chalked up as a the 'West vs Muslims' conflict. I won't go into the details here as treating this issue fairly would involve writing a full blown article, but if you read up on it I'm sure you will see that it was nowhere near as simple as that.

ok,maybe yes,but still it's not human at all
and this war and all wars or occupation that time (Britain over Egypt,Italy over libya,and France over Algeria,Tunisia,and morroco),all these wars,if it weren't muslims vs crusader,then it was strong vs weak,and that doesn't make any difference,it's abusing power,when we were at power we never did such things



So we're back at the 15th century?

Look, can you give me any examples of Muslims being treated unfairly NOW in Europe or Scandinavia? It's not as if we can do anything about the stuff that happened 500 years ago, but if you have anything to bring to the table that is relevant now, perhaps we can discuss them?

Scandavia no,they are my beloved countries in Europe,but Britain and France espicially are folloing US all the way

 

[Mohamed]

A question for you,would Islam go back to the borders of Mecca,doubful really,so why should Israel go back to the 67 borders,why should they cede land to a people who have repeatedly attacked them with no hope of anything different any time soon,the only good thing to say about Fatah is that they changed their Charter to be less aggressive but Hamas will never change theirs and they will be the sticking point in any kind of attempt at peace IMO


but 67 borders gives Israel good land,we didn't say 48 land,67 is very fair for Israel
and Isarel must go back because there are people called Palastinians want to live too,or you don't see them??!!,all what you are saying here is meaningless,who attack whom??!!!,who owns this land?!
Israel should go back because we Arabs wont give it more than that,if you don't see that it's a good reason to go back,then we will declare the palastinian state from our side,what will you do then?
fight??!,ok it's the moment wich we wait.

 

[Mohamed]

So who's fault is that ?,are you going to blame everything and everyone else for the Arabs worse point in history

it's arab's fault,i'm just saying that the future differes,they can't keep your same behaviour,they are not capable to take more land,they have 2 choices,the first is to take 67 borders (wich is fair for them) and live in peace,the second is to fight (at the end),wich will be totally against them


what is increadable??

 

[England my lionheart]

So who's fault is that ?,are you going to blame everything and everyone else for the Arabs worse point in history

it's arab's fault,i'm just saying that the future differes,they can't keep your same behaviour,they are not capable to take more land,they have 2 choices,the first is to take 67 borders (wich is fair for them) and live in peace,the second is to fight (at the end),wich will be totally against them

Interesting given the history of yours and other countries with Israel

what is increadable??

it's very strange that Israeli leaders can't see that
seems they only have one way in politics,wars along the way
that didn't help them before,and will be suicide for them in the future

Could be talking about Palestines leaders,if you can call them that

 

[Mohamed]

it's very strange that Israeli leaders can't see that
seems they only have one way in politics,wars along the way
that didn't help them before,and will be suicide for them in the future

Could be talking about Palestines leaders,if you can call them that

ah,accoeding to fox news you maybe right

 

[England my lionheart]

A question for you,would Islam go back to the borders of Mecca,doubful really,so why should Israel go back to the 67 borders,why should they cede land to a people who have repeatedly attacked them with no hope of anything different any time soon,the only good thing to say about Fatah is that they changed their Charter to be less aggressive but Hamas will never change theirs and they will be the sticking point in any kind of attempt at peace IMO


but 67 borders gives Israel good land,we didn't say 48 land,67 is very fair for Israel
and Isarel must go back because there are people called Palastinians want to live too,or you don't see them??!!,all what you are saying here is meaningless,who attack whom??!!!,who owns this land?!
Israel should go back because we Arabs wont give it more than that,if you don't see that it's a good reason to go back,then we will declare the palastinian state from our side,what will you do then?
fight??!,ok it's the moment wich we wait.

When you say "we Arabs" do you really mean we Muslims,after all the whole of the Hamas charter is about Islam beating those nasty Zionists up, really its never been about the people of Palestine,

As for the 67 borders being fair,in what way would that be fair.

 

[England my lionheart]

ah,accoeding to fox news you maybe right

I wouldn't waste my electricity watching Fox news

 

[darkendless]

Question: Why do muslims (even ones that live there) blindly hate America so much? Its so blatent and almost rhetorical that I suspect that the hatred is a way of conforming with "other muslims" rather than actually being reasonable.

I find any muslim taking a 'stand' against the US and the West very hard to take seriously.