jarofthoughts
Empirical Curmudgeon
Alright, in what way are Muslims currently being treated unfairly in Britain and France then?
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A majority of Muslims in England are against free speech, according to a poll
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Alright, in what way are Muslims currently being treated unfairly in Britain and France then?
All of us (Arabs and muslims) have an intention to remove Israel (as a state not people) and get back Palastine,you think that i would hide this?!,ofcourse no
that's not because we are radicals (it's our land whatever you say),but because we know that Israel doesn't want peace,and will never go to peace,we know that zionists want the land of Israel from Nile to Forat,even the flag says that,so we go for peace but Israel never accept,then it's ok,we know the end exactly,every muslim knows it,our land will be back....
so how did you say that?,this issue should be discussed in one word,doesn't Palastine call for peace now with 2 states on 67 borders?
i really wonder,just let any country take a very small part from your land and find out how you will feel,US fights in (Afghanistan,Pakistan,Iraq,and Palastine),they are all islamic countries,and US ruined thier lifes,sent them back to medievial era,US interfers every tiny order about arabian countries,they supported our dectator regiemes all the way just to stop us from having real independence while it's calling for democracy all the time!!,US have nothing called ethics or human rights or any principles,just have intersts that it will do anything to get it,how come you don't see all that?!!
but the world is changing now,and hope that US releazes what's going on....
who stands against whom!!
just listen
i have never heard such thing from a president,it's more like mafia words
[youtube]cpPABLW6F_A[/youtube]
Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists - YouTube
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
What, precisely, do you envision happening to the Israeli's currently living in Israel?
That would indicate that you are not even remotely interested in a peaceful solution. Do you realize what an attack on Israel would bring?
So why did Israel give the Sinai Peninsula back to Egypt in '68?
But your definition of peace = war with Israel. Remember, you want to wipe Israel from the map. I'm sensing a bit of a disconnect here.
This is perhaps the most chilling aspect of your entire post. It's difficult to fight an enemy that loves death more than they love life.
they supported the war against Iraq and gave US cover in UN,the war on Afghanistan (all Europe is involved),France oppresses them inside (maybe as immigrates),and the most important thing is there position from Palastinian case (wich i hope may change in september)
and nations can't be taken from there recent stands only,it's things over years, till they prove that they have changed...
by the way,if they left Libya free and gave them there money back,this would be a very good step....
how come that you cut every part from my post while it's all connected?!
you mixed everything
but i will answer you again more clearly as i can
if you mean the time of that,ofcourse i'm not sure,but i think yes less than 50 years,maybe just 20 years or less,but it's prescience till now when would that happen
i never said (attack) israel,i said Israel wants the land from Nile to Forat,it will never accept peace,how come we are not intersted in a peaceful solution while we call for it NOW??!,i'm saying,we are sure that nothing called peace in Israel's agenda,we know that for sure,all this talk is just a hold out for time,we tried them for 60 years and we know them....
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
read the history of this case please
2 states on 67 borders = war with Israel?!!!!
i'm saying we accepted 67 borders (while it's unfair for us) just to bring peace,but if Israel insisted on fight,we will fight for the whole land (and that seems how the future will be)
who,Israelis?!!!!!!,lol,they are cowards
just see how Palastinians in Gaza(without weapons) accept to die but not to surrender while the whole world watching that like a movie!!!
you mixed everything
but i will answer you again more clearly as i can
if you mean the time of that,ofcourse i'm not sure,but i think yes less than 50 years,maybe just 20 years or less,but it's prescience till now when would that happen
i never said (attack) israel,i said Israel wants the land from Nile to Forat,it will never accept peace,how come we are not intersted in a peaceful solution while we call for it NOW??!,i'm saying,we are sure that nothing called peace in Israel's agenda,we know that for sure,all this talk is just a hold out for time,we tried them for 60 years and we know them....
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
read the history of this case please
2 states on 67 borders = war with Israel?!!!!
i'm saying we accepted 67 borders (while it's unfair for us) just to bring peace,but if Israel insisted on fight,we will fight for the whole land (and that seems how the future will be)
who,Israelis?!!!!!!,lol,they are cowards
just see how Palastinians in Gaza(without weapons) accept to die but not to surrender while the whole world watching that like a movie!!!
jarofthoughts
Empirical Curmudgeon
While true, this has nothing to do with any kind of "West VS Muslims" conflict.
But how are they oppressed in France?
You keep saying that they are treated unfairly in European countries but you give no examples.
Again, how are Muslims treated unfairly in European countries?
That is, Muslims reciding in European countries.
Not the forreign policy of those countries.
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
Your ignorance is astounding. The US fights thgere because you lot can't control yourselves.
You completely missed the point though and ignored another. Whats the go with your default stance which means you despise the way of life of western countries?
I don't hate America, and most Muslims I know don't either. Disliking policy is different than "hating" an entire country. Criticism doesn't equal hate.
Wow, I'm not sure how to reply to this.
. How are the Palestinians more justified to have all its land back than the Israelis? Who decides who is more justified? No, I don't agree with all the settlements and such, but the Palestinian stance of "all" isn't any more a step toward peace than what your accusing the Israelis of.I wish there could be a reasonable compromise...
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Even given that English is not your first language, your meanings are hard to understand.
Are you talking about how Allah is going to straighten things out? Perhaps you are meaning this in the same way that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the President of Iran. is meaning. In other words, it's a Muslim prophesy?
You don't actually come across as sounding particularly peaceful. It sounds like you already have made up your mind how Israel will react, so regardless of how they respond, you will instantly misunderstand their intent. That doesn't bode well.
But if what you are saying is true then, if I were an Israeli, I would understand that there is nothing I could say that could possibly change your mind. YOU ALREADY KNOW. That does not bode well.
Um, Israel gave up the Sinai as part of the agreement in the Camp David Accord with Sadat.... It is sort of odd they would agree to anything if they weren't a tiny bit interested in peace as President Jimmy Carter is not exactly known for his brilliant expertise at foreign policy.
So am I to assume that you recognize Israel's right to exist? That IS news.
The Palestinians have no weapons? I see. There is a saying in Israel, "If the Palestinians put down their weapons these problems would not exist. If Israel put down its weapons, Israel would not exist."
I doubt you will agree, but I thought this was a creative solution.
[youtube]uIEeiDjdUuU[/youtube]
Klavan's One-State Solution
Quote: Mohamed "its our land whatever you say"
Well is it,i mean you live in Egypt so how can it be your land,this is the kind of talk you would get from Al Banna Qutb Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood,if you are saying its your land because its an Islamic Waqf then i'm sorry to tell you but it means nothing outside of Islam,Israel is a recognised state,Palestine isn't,it could be if Hamas could state six little words "we recognise Israel as a state".
Quote Mohamed:
so we go for peace but Israel never accept
Really,when did that happen,when have the Palestinians actually seriously sued for peace,i'll be interested in any.
ah,sorry i didn't notice you mean inside Europe
ok,there are somethings,not very big ofcourse,but muslim's bad feelings comes from thier foreign policies in first place
but anyway,France banned scurfs (face cover)
Germany banned scurfs (hair cover) in schools!
Switzerland banned minarets of musques!!!
and in france,they don't get equal chances about everything (as Immigrants not muslims but they are muslims at the end) even France
There are many on this very forum who opposed those bans, including the burqas.
France? If you're using the French government as your measuring stick of religious tolerance, you'll be severely disappointed.
first please keep our discussion respect or just leave me if you find me ignorant.
The US fights thgere because you lot can't control yourselves
that explains why people hate US
i must admit that your leaders are amazing in only one thing,cheating you and convincing you with all what they want
it's really amazing media
just one word,if we can't control our orders,did US fixed that and improved any country it entered??!!!!!!!!!!!,just name one country please,everywhere US fought turned into ruins
still can't see which point i have ignored?,who said we despise the way of life of western countries?!
every country is free and has it's culture and as long as it's not forcing others to follow the same culture then it's welcome
i'm saying to you,i (love) many Eorupian countries,it's US that can't respect the difference....
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so 60 yeas of compromising is bad effort?!!!!!
what if Israel don't want peace at all
what makes you disbelieve that?
till now all arabs want peace and Israel refuse
for everybody who don't believe that here is the link
Arab Peace Initiative - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Even given that English is not your first language, your meanings are hard to understand.
Are you talking about how Allah is going to straighten things out? Perhaps you are meaning this in the same way that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the President of Iran. is meaning. In other words, it's a Muslim prophesy?
You don't actually come across as sounding particularly peaceful. It sounds like you already have made up your mind how Israel will react, so regardless of how they respond, you will instantly misunderstand their intent. That doesn't bode well.
But if what you are saying is true then, if I were an Israeli, I would understand that there is nothing I could say that could possibly change your mind. YOU ALREADY KNOW. That does not bode well.
Um, Israel gave up the Sinai as part of the agreement in the Camp David Accord with Sadat.... It is sort of odd they would agree to anything if they weren't a tiny bit interested in peace as President Jimmy Carter is not exactly known for his brilliant expertise at foreign policy.
So am I to assume that you recognize Israel's right to exist? That IS news.
The Palestinians have no weapons? I see. There is a saying in Israel, "If the Palestinians put down their weapons these problems would not exist. If Israel put down its weapons, Israel would not exist."
I doubt you will agree, but I thought this was a creative solution.
[youtube]uIEeiDjdUuU[/youtube]
Klavan's One-State Solution
Israel would exist if it admitted that Palastinians have the right to exist
Sinai was back because we took it by power and we won the war,then Israel had nothing to do but to accept,but it conditioned to havfe peace treaty with Egypt,and by that it sent Egypt aside,and we were fools to accept that...
look,you discussion isn't logic at all,Israel fears from poor Hamas guys while it's killing thousands every year?!!!
ok ok,i accept your jaudgemet,just give me a fair solution,what's the solution??!!
Israel gives no solution,and if that continues,we will declare Palastine one side,what Israel will do then?,fight??
Mohamed,a question for you regarding this from the Hamas charter/Covenant:
'The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the
individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews' usurpation,
it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.' (Article 15)
'Ranks will close, fighters joining other fighters, and masses
everywhere in the Islamic world will come forward in response to the
call of duty, loudly proclaiming: 'Hail to Jihad!'. This cry will
reach the heavens and will go on being resounded until liberation is
achieved, the invaders vanquished and Allah's victory comes about.'
(Article 33)
Considering there are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world do you ever wonder why hardly any turn up for this proposed Jihad (which apparently doesn't mean what Hamas thinks it means) even going back to the Grand Mufti days and subsequent wars against Israel nobody has turned up for this proposed Jihad and when they have they have been beaten,after 80 years the call has fallen on deaf ears,my question to you is this,would it not be better for Hamas to drop the Gun and acknowledge Israels right to exist and really seek a partner in peace instead of the farcical alliance with Fatah.
'The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the
individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews' usurpation,
it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.' (Article 15)
'Ranks will close, fighters joining other fighters, and masses
everywhere in the Islamic world will come forward in response to the
call of duty, loudly proclaiming: 'Hail to Jihad!'. This cry will
reach the heavens and will go on being resounded until liberation is
achieved, the invaders vanquished and Allah's victory comes about.'
(Article 33)
Considering there are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world do you ever wonder why hardly any turn up for this proposed Jihad (which apparently doesn't mean what Hamas thinks it means) even going back to the Grand Mufti days and subsequent wars against Israel nobody has turned up for this proposed Jihad and when they have they have been beaten,after 80 years the call has fallen on deaf ears,my question to you is this,would it not be better for Hamas to drop the Gun and acknowledge Israels right to exist and really seek a partner in peace instead of the farcical alliance with Fatah.