A Neat Little Comparison Chart

[tytlyf]

I strongly disagree about the MSM though. Growing up in the 70's and 80's, the number of people in the media who personally were liberals/Democrat supporters was something like 60%. In the 90's and 2000's that number went up to around 75%. Today it's probably like 80-85% who identify with and vote exclusively Democrat. It's ridiculous to say they don't lean left and in most cases sit on stories about people they identify with ideologically.

Being a journalist or newsperson usually requires you to leave your political affiliation at home before you get to work. It's irrelevant to the position. If the political affiliation of newspeople is more democratic today, there has to be a reason for that.
I think it's more accurate to say that America is becoming more democratic than republican. Policies have a lot to do with this.

 

[Drizzt Do'Urden]

The press isn't liberal. Most news is moderate and factual journalism. CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, etc are moderate. These days moderates look liberal to conservatives because the republican party is so far to the right these days. The republican establishment doesn't like the direction the party is going, but they have no choice given the conservatives are the ones who keep the party going.

Here's a chart on media bias. You'll notice the RW entertainers are mostly in dangerous categories.

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That chart is laughable... Mother Jones is considered fair and persuasive (rolling my eyes)

 

[Drizzt Do'Urden]

Being a journalist or newsperson usually requires you to leave your political affiliation at home before you get to work. It's irrelevant to the position. If the political affiliation of newspeople is more democratic today, there has to be a reason for that.
I think it's more accurate to say that America is becoming more democratic than republican. Policies have a lot to do with this.

And you think they really leave their political and ideological badges at the door? I got a bridge to nowhere to sell to you...

 

[metis]

That chart is laughable... Mother Jones is considered fair and persuasive (rolling my eyes)

Then why don't you actually post a chart of your own that's not "laughable"? Or show us stats to indicate that the chart is wrong?

 

[tytlyf]

That chart is laughable... Mother Jones is considered fair and persuasive (rolling my eyes)

I'd consider them fair. Got any examples of unfairness? You'll notice the top media for conservatives are nowhere in the 'fair' arena.

And you think they really leave their political and ideological badges at the door? I got a bridge to nowhere to sell to you...

No, when opinions are asked they'll give their opinion. What matters is if the opinion is accurate and truthful. This is just another propaganda technique similar to:

"The FBI can't run a fair investigation because some people there donated to the Clinton campaign."
Or
"The mexican judge can't possibly be fair to me because of his heritage."

Don't let RW media getcha!

 

[Sunstone]

It used to be we had a two party system, but those days are long gone methinks. The truth of the matter is that there are professional politicians, and then there is the rest of us.

I have a friend who works in Washington who has basically said the same thing... He hobnobs with people from both parties, and behind closed doors all of these people are buddy buddy and on the same page, but in public they play the part of partisans. Sure, there are a few who are ideological purists and it isn't true to say that all of these politicians are in cahoots, but it's true enough to say (my position about professional politicians).

I can confirm your friends take on it.

Growing up, there was a branch of my family that was heavily involved in state politics, and to a lesser extent, national politics. With a few exceptions, none of them ever held elected office, they were more "backroom" than that. For instance, they might arrange to bribe a national senator to vote in a particular way.

I was more or less oblivious to their activities until I began to take an interest in politics around age 18. Around the same time, I went to one of their family parties. There were people from both sides of the aisle at the party, and of course, everyone was talking shop -- that is, talking politics, but not in any ideological sense. More in the sense of who was being given what to do what, and such.

At one point I got a wee bit drunk and blurted out, "God bless the Republican Party", for I was Republican back then. Although I didn't say it too loud, the whole room fell silent, everyone turned to look at me, the frowns were as thick as darkness on a moonless night, and my uncle came over, took my glass of scotch, and said, "Whoa there, better slow down some! We're all friends here!"

That's when I began to suspect that this country is held together by the elites being in cahoots with each other.

I strongly disagree about the MSM though. Growing up in the 70's and 80's, the number of people in the media who personally were liberals/Democrat supporters was something like 60%. In the 90's and 2000's that number went up to around 75%. Today it's probably like 80-85% who identify with and vote exclusively Democrat. It's ridiculous to say they don't lean left and in most cases sit on stories about people they identify with ideologically.

I hear you and agree to some extent. But I would point out that Democrats are divided between neo-liberals (Sometimes called the Clinton Camp) and progressives (Sometimes called the Sanders Camp). The rank and file reporters and editors who are Democrats tend to be neo-liberals, rather than progressives -- at least the mainstream media types, that is. You pretty much have to go outside the mainstream to find may progressive Democrats.

Beyond that, the mainstream media is largely owned by just six corporations these days. Those corporations tend to favor their own interests as opposed to, say, progressive interests.

As for neo-liberalism in general, I regard it as right of center when compared to liberal movements in Europe and elsewhere.

 

[Drizzt Do'Urden]

Then why don't you actually post a chart of your own that's not "laughable"? Or show us stats to indicate that the chart is wrong?

Look at the breakdown of consumers by ideology by show in the link provided. Keep in mind that people prefer to watch shows that match their ideological views, in other words people who watch Hannity will be mostly conservative, people who watch/listen to NPR are more liberal.

In other words, if NPR consistently gives news with a skew to the left, left leaning people are more apt to watch it because it matches their worldview and they like the way the reporter frames the news, same with shows that have reporters that present it with a rightsided bent.

Here's How Liberal Or Conservative Major News Sources Really Are

Once you've looked at that, tell me the media doesn't skew left.

 

[Drizzt Do'Urden]

I'd consider them fair. Got any examples of unfairness? You'll notice the top media for conservatives are nowhere in the 'fair' arena.

No, when opinions are asked they'll give their opinion. What matters is if the opinion is accurate and truthful. This is just another propaganda technique similar to:

"The FBI can't run a fair investigation because some people there donated to the Clinton campaign."
Or
"The mexican judge can't possibly be fair to me because of his heritage."

Don't let RW media getcha!

I'm a Libertarian who used to be mostly conservative. I haven't watched FoxNews, or any mainstream media for the most part, in eons. I get all my news online from all over the place.

I'm middle of the road politically speaking, with more of a lean to the right on some topics, and more to the left on others. Usually conservative economically/tax wise, more liberal on social issues.

 

[tytlyf]

Look at the breakdown of consumers by ideology by show in the link provided. Keep in mind that people prefer to watch shows that match their ideological views, in other words people who watch Hannity will be mostly conservative, people who watch/listen to NPR are more liberal.

In other words, if NPR consistently gives news with a skew to the left, left leaning people are more apt to watch it because it matches their worldview and they like the way the reporter frames the news, same with shows that have reporters that present it with a rightsided bent.

Here's How Liberal Or Conservative Major News Sources Really Are

Once you've looked at that, tell me the media doesn't skew left.

I disagree. Democrats want to hear the truth. If that happens to come from certain outlets over others, I'm sure it has to do with accuracy of reporting.
We all know conservatives aren't interested in the truth, but want some entertainment and to be told what they want to hear. Alternative facts rule RW medialand.

 

[tytlyf]

I'm a Libertarian who used to be mostly conservative. I haven't watched FoxNews, or any mainstream media for the most part, in eons. I get all my news online from all over the place.

I'm middle of the road politically speaking, with more of a lean to the right on some topics, and more to the left on others. Usually conservative economically/tax wise, more liberal on social issues.

Libertarian = republican. Same thing. The Kochs are libertarian and are singlehandedly controlling the republican party. Additionally, a lot of people on the right claim to be libertarian as they are upset with the republican party.
But don't expect them to vote libertarian, they always vote republican.

I do agree with you that we should legalize all drugs.

 

[Drizzt Do'Urden]

I disagree. Democrats want to hear the truth. If that happens to come from certain outlets over others, I'm sure it has to do with accuracy of reporting.
We all know conservatives aren't interested in the truth, but want some entertainment and to be told what they want to hear. Alternative facts rule RW medialand.

Oh puhlease...

That being said

 

[Drizzt Do'Urden]

Libertarian = republican. Same thing. The Kochs are libertarian and are singlehandedly controlling the republican party. Additionally, a lot of people on the right claim to be libertarian as they are upset with the republican party.
But don't expect them to vote libertarian, they always vote republican.

I do agree with you that we should legalize all drugs.

Not the same thing, and clearly not true since I voted for Gary Johnson in the last election, but I do tend to vote R when I vote.

I'm more of a classical liberal in the vein of our country's Founders.

 

[tytlyf]

Oh puhlease...
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What part did you take issue with? Democrats want to hear the truth when it comes to reporting? You think that's inaccurate when compared to conservatives?

 

[tytlyf]

Here's How Liberal Or Conservative Major News Sources Really Are

Once you've looked at that, tell me the media doesn't skew left.

Looks like an identical chart to mine. As mentioned from your link, most media is moderate and not liberal.

I've never visited a single far-left website like "Occupy Democrats." Then you have Fox and all the RW entertainers falling on the other side of the spectrum. The difference?

The 'far-left' media presented may have 10k viewers? While the 'far-right' media presented has 50 million?

 

[Drizzt Do'Urden]

What part did you take issue with? Democrats want to hear the truth when it comes to reporting? You think that's inaccurate when compared to conservatives?

Everybody wants to hear truth when it comes to reporting, more importantly people want to hear news presented without ideological purpose.

An example of news reported without ideological bent is this.

Let us say that Trump or Obama were to do something. All news outlets should report that Trump or Obama did something. A news outlet with a political agenda behind it wouldn't just report that Trump or Obama did something, they would harp constantly on what Trump or Obama did.

News programs, the traditional ones at least, usually have 30 minutes to discuss the news. The problem is that most news nowadays talks about the same thing over and over and over and over with not just one segment of the news reporting on what Trump or Obama did, but multiple segments.

Take CNN for example. Say Trump were to tweet something horrendous that a POTUS shouldn't say publicly. CNN will spend 30 minutes of their news cycle harping on what Trump said looking at it from many different angles dedicating massive amounts of coverage JUST for what Trump said.

I am convinced that 24 hour news channels have got to go.

It's like Trump or Obama are all they can talk about. Give me the rest of the news about what's happening in the real world and quit harping on Trump or Obama...

Just give me the Walter Cronkite style news, just the facts, every news outlet is more about pontificating about the news.

 

[tytlyf]

Take CNN for example. Say Trump were to tweet something horrendous that a POTUS shouldn't say publicly. CNN will spend 30 minutes of their news cycle harping on what Trump said looking at it from many different angles dedicating massive amounts of coverage JUST for what Trump said.

I am convinced that 24 hour news channels have got to go.

It's like Trump or Obama are all they can talk about. Give me the rest of the news about what's happening in the real world and quit harping on Trump or Obama...

Just give me the Walter Cronkite style news, just the facts, every news outlet is more about pontificating about the news.

So you take issue with CNN spending 30 minutes discussing an inflammatory tweet from the ruler of the free world?

Got an example? You should watch Fox when Obama was president. 30 minutes is nothing.

 

[Drizzt Do'Urden]

Looks like an identical chart to mine. As mentioned from your link, most media is moderate and not liberal.

I've never visited a single far-left website like "Occupy Democrats." Then you have Fox and all the RW entertainers falling on the other side of the spectrum. The difference?

The 'far-left' media presented may have 10k viewers? While the 'far-right' media presented has 50 million?

Don't read what they said about the data. You're reading their take on the data. Just look at the data and come to your own conclusion.

When I look at just the charts, ignoring the "explanation" of the data they give, it looks more left than right to me.

 

[David1967]

To be accurate is immaterial in your view. That is a classic troll statement. Or if youy're serious, much much worse.

He's not a troll, he's a Scott......darn Scotts!

 

[Drizzt Do'Urden]

So you take issue with CNN spending 30 minutes discussing an inflammatory tweet from the ruler of the free world?

Got an example? You should watch Fox when Obama was president. 30 minutes is nothing.

You've got FoxNews with a far right bend in their coverage. You've got NPR, MSNBC, CNN, NBC on the far left to middle left bend in their coverage...

The point is, there are more MAJOR outlets of news that skew left than there are on the right.

 

[David1967]

It used to be we had a two party system, but those days are long gone methinks. The truth of the matter is that there are professional politicians, and then there is the rest of us.

I have a friend who works in Washington who has basically said the same thing... He hobnobs with people from both parties, and behind closed doors all of these people are buddy buddy and on the same page, but in public they play the part of partisans. Sure, there are a few who are ideological purists and it isn't true to say that all of these politicians are in cahoots, but it's true enough to say (my position about professional politicians).

I strongly disagree about the MSM though. Growing up in the 70's and 80's, the number of people in the media who personally were liberals/Democrat supporters was something like 60%. In the 90's and 2000's that number went up to around 75%. Today it's probably like 80-85% who identify with and vote exclusively Democrat. It's ridiculous to say they don't lean left and in most cases sit on stories about people they identify with ideologically.

I've often thought it would be interesting to be the proverbial 'fly on the wall' when our elected officials get behind closed doors and decide how better to put the screws to us. I wonder if they draw straws to see which side gets to play good guy or bad guy?