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A Neat Little Comparison Chart

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member

I remember the episode "Parallels" where Worf keeps moving from one quantum reality to another.

It culminated in all of the quantum realities appearing at once and a whole sector filled with Enterprises from different universes. Of course, they had to fix the damage and send all of the Enterprises back to their correct universe, but one ship refused to comply. Apparently in their universe, the Federation was gone and the Borg had taken over everything. They were one of the last surviving ships, and they didn't want to go back to their universe.

What if that's the universe we're in right now?

Could it be that there are some people indigenous to our reality who somehow found their way into another universe and refusing to be sent back? "No, you don't know what it's like in our universe! Trump is President! Everything is gone! We're not going back! We're NOT GOING BACK!"
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
You've got FoxNews with a far right bend in their coverage. You've got NPR, MSNBC, CNN, NBC on the far left to middle left bend in their coverage...

The point is, there are more MAJOR outlets of news that skew left than there are on the right.
Nope, CNN, NPR, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, etc are not 'far-left.' Those outlets are moderate. The right has fewer major outlets because they don't hire journalists.
 

Drizzt Do'Urden

Deistic Drow Elf
Nope, CNN, NPR, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, etc are not 'far-left.' Those outlets are moderate. The right has fewer major outlets because they don't hire journalists.

LOL! MSNBC isn't far left? MSNBC is the FoxNews of the major liberally inclined media world. CNN and NPR are marginally better than MSNBC, but the only person you're kidding is yourself.

They present themselves as moderate (ABC, CBS, and NBC), and to a certain extent are moderate (with ABC being marginally better than CBS and NBC), but when you take into account the voluminous segments that highlight negative aspects of Republicans vs the segments that are negative towards Democrats, the bias is obvious.

Let us say that a Republican and a Democrat both had an equally scandalous story break on the same day, the coverage of the Republican would dwarf that of the Democrat.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
LOL! MSNBC isn't far left? MSNBC is the FoxNews of the major liberally inclined media world. CNN and NPR are marginally better than MSNBC, but the only person you're kidding is yourself.

They present themselves as moderate (ABC, CBS, and NBC), and to a certain extent are moderate (with ABC being marginally better than CBS and NBC), but when you take into account the voluminous segments that highlight negative aspects of Republicans vs the segments that are negative towards Democrats, the bias is obvious.

Let us say that a Republican and a Democrat both had an equally scandalous story break on the same day, the coverage of the Republican would dwarf that of the Democrat.
MSNBC doesn't use panic mongering and propaganda all day long. We call this a 'false equivalence.' At the end of the day, MSNBC reports more fairly than the "Fair and Balanced" Fox.

You won't agree, because RW media has done on a number on the minds of people over the years. They love that saturation technique. The reason Fox and RW performance artists all target normal news outlets is because they don't want their audience watching/listening to additional information.
So what does RW media do? Propagandize "lame-stream media" all day long with the hopes the listener never EVER relys on a single word they say.
 

Drizzt Do'Urden

Deistic Drow Elf
MSNBC doesn't use panic mongering and propaganda all day long. We call this a 'false equivalence.' At the end of the day, MSNBC reports more fairly than the "Fair and Balanced" Fox.

You won't agree, because RW media has done on a number on the minds of people over the years. They love that saturation technique. The reason Fox and RW performance artists all target normal news outlets is because they don't want their audience watching/listening to additional information.
So what does RW media do? Propagandize "lame-stream media" all day long with the hopes the listener never EVER relys on a single word they say.

If traditional news had just stuck to reporting news without any sort of bias towards the left, FoxNews never would have come to exist. In the beginning, FoxNews actually WAS fair and balanced. Obviously, since then, things have changed.

FoxNews came about because of the success of CNN which was the first 24 hour news channel. CNN used to be fair and balanced too, in the beginning, but over time as it skewed more and more to the left, and as MSNBC did the same, that created a market for a 24 hour news channel with more of a lean to the right, and the market bared that out. FoxNews won ratings for almost 15 years in a row.

Now, to compete with the 24 hour news channels, the traditional news channels, ie CBS, NBC, and ABC had to get more into the pontificating instead of just reporting the news schtick.

Look, any way you look at it, the news we get in America is so scrubbed and filtered and controlled that you have to go elsewhere to get fair reporting.

CNN International is my favorite because it gives the only truly unbiased view of what is going on in this country.

It's just a fact that, by and large, our reporters who are US citizens with political beliefs of their own just aren't going to give an honest appraisal of events and will do whatever they can to score political points, or help those they agree with to win political points.
 
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Shaul

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Premium Member
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This chart is so bogus. What is a “Executive Branch Criminal Activity”? I challenge it and say it is bogus regarding your Trump Administration criminal indictment number. List these 17 criminal indictments of Trump executive branch members. (If you can.) And just to make the point clearer your chart incorrectly is missing the conviction of General Petraeus during the Obama administration and two convictions during the Clinton administration. Below is a link to a list of convictions of Executive Branch officials by Administration. It also contains details and verifiable facts, unlike your chart.
List of American federal politicians convicted of crimes - Wikipedia
Until you can support your chart with citations and verifiable facts. I think we can safely and soundly reject it.
 
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Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
The press isn't liberal. Most news is moderate and factual journalism. CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, etc are moderate. These days moderates look liberal to conservatives because the republican party is so far to the right these days. The republican establishment doesn't like the direction the party is going, but they have no choice given the conservatives are the ones who keep the party going.

Here's a chart on media bias. You'll notice the RW entertainers are mostly in dangerous categories.

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Bogus chart. I won’t waste my time analyzing why. This blogger took the time though.
https://www.quora.com/What-do-conse...a-bias-chart-that-started-circulating-in-2016
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Given that Nixon's policies in today's environment would be classed as liberal or more to the left in the domestic policy sphere, I agree. Besides, history causes details to vanish which is another point.
Nixon established a panel to investigate marijuana. The panel issued a report finding marijuana to be relatively harmless. Nixon buried the report.

That's hardly the action of a leftist liberal.

Nixon feared, hated and demonized the press and academia.

That's hardly the action of a leftist liberal.
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
One think even conservatives have to admit is that Obama had a squeaky clean presidency. No criminal activity, scandals, or even affairs (that we know of).
Sweet summer child. They’ll just claim that the deep state buried all the illegal activity that occurred during the Obama administration.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
This chart is so bogus. What is a “Executive Branch Criminal Activity”? I challenge it and say it is bogus regarding your Trump Administration criminal indictment number. List these 17 criminal indictments of Trump executive branch members. (If you can.) And just to make the point clearer your chart incorrectly is missing the conviction of General Petraeus during the Obama administration and two convictions during the Clinton administration. Below is a link to a list of convictions of Executive Branch officials by Administration. It also contains details and verifiable facts, unlike your chart.
List of American federal politicians convicted of crimes - Wikipedia
Until you can support your chart with citations and verifiable facts. I think we can safely and soundly reject it.
Indictments are not number of people, some people have several indictments.

When was General Patraeus part of the executive branch?

Here is a link to the chart without Trump with plenty of references.
Comparing presidential administrations by arrests and convictions: A warning for Trump appointees

Trumps administration is quite a list which I will go through sometime but quite frankly the numbers look fine on the chart.
 

Drizzt Do'Urden

Deistic Drow Elf
Then you should find the modern Republican Party a scandal and hate it.

I do find it scandalous. I find both parties to be scandalous, in fact, I just find the Republican more in line with most of my concerns going on in this nation.

If there were more Libertarian candidates, I'd vote for them.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I do find it scandalous. I find both parties to be scandalous, in fact, I just find the Republican more in line with most of my concerns going on in this nation.

If there were more Libertarian candidates, I'd vote for them.
So ripping up the Constitution, spitting on Enlightenment values and turning America into a militerized authoritarian plutocratic oligarchy is more in line with the founders?
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I didn't order a hyperbole sandwich, but thanks...
Nothing hyperbolic about it. It's all reality and quite documented. I'm not surprised. As was mentioned, most people calling themselves "libertarians" and "classical liberals" are really just Republicans who want to distance themselves from the Christian fascists in their party but still put their party allegiance above their stated ideology. They should ask themselves they support a party that is everything they should hate and that is wrecking this country.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Sweet summer child. They’ll just claim that the deep state buried all the illegal activity that occurred during the Obama administration.
Excuse me but to paraphrase Trump “there is no Russian collusion except for the crooked Democrats.“
 
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