A proposed solution for Young Earth Creationism

[ElishaElijah]

OK, so how would one build a 'spirit detector'? Until someone comes up with a way, and it is verified, there is no evidence and the *simpler* explanations win.

For example, I can claim there are gnomes in my house, but that current technology can't detect them. I would bet you would say they do not exist. Why?

God did it
“What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭2:12-14‬ ‭NIV‬‬

 

[Valjean]

@Polymath257
You’re allowed to judge people and call them a sociopath? Pretty bad bro
@TagliatelliMonster

Do you think I used the term as an insult, or a correct descriptor?

 

[Valjean]

Have you slept through the last year? Did you not see how people act when the law isn't allowed to do it's job? Anarchy is exactly what happened.

Please give an example of this anarchy, and why the law not doing its job caused it.

Most of the anarchy I've seen was instigated by the law trying to do a job it had no business doing.

 

[Polymath257]

God did it
“What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭2:12-14‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Isn't that convenient?

Again, if it takes belief to see the evidence, then there isn't any actual evidence. ALL you have is confirmation bias.

The nice thing about the truth is that it is the same for everyone. And ALL the evidence will be consistent with it.

Suppose a scientists told you that there is evidence for some phenomenon, but that you have to believe ahead of time in that phenomenon and that the strength of your belief will determine how strong the evidence seen is.

Do you see the problem?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Do you think I used the term as an insult, or a correct descriptor?

Sounded like an insult and like I said incorrect descriptor.
What Is A Sociopath?

A sociopath is someone who actually has a diagnosable mental health condition. That mental health condition is called antisocial personality disorder or ASPD. Antisocial personality disorder or ASPD is a diagnosable mental health disorder characterized by a group of criteria listed in the diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders or DSM. The DSM lists a variety of mental health disorders and provides the diagnostic criteria that medical and mental health professionals use to diagnose conditions. While you might think of sociopathy as “very rare” or “scary,” antisocial personality disorder actually affects about 3.6% of the United States population, and it is diagnosed more frequently in men than it is in women, with about 3% of adult men and 1% of adult women receiving a diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder. There is no cure for the condition, but there is treatment available that can help people with antisocial personality disorder. The tricky component of treating antisocial personality disorder or ASPD tends to be that not everyone with antisocial personality disorder or ASPD wants help or believes that there is a problem. That said, if someone does, counseling or therapy can be very beneficial.

What Are The Traits Of A Sociopath?

What are considered sociopathic traits or sociopathic traits? Here are some of the potential signs and traits of a person with antisocial personality disorder:

• A lack of empathy for others
• Little to no genuine remorse
• The manipulation of other people
• Lying and deceit
• A sense of superiority over others
• Little to no regard for right or wrong
• The belief that rules do not apply to them
• Getting into legal trouble or a little regard for the law
• A lack of responsibility or engaging in irresponsible behaviors
• Aggression or hostility
• The exploitation of other people
• Substance use

 

[ElishaElijah]

Isn't that convenient?

Again, if it takes belief to see the evidence, then there isn't any actual evidence. ALL you have is confirmation bias.

The nice thing about the truth is that it is the same for everyone. And ALL the evidence will be consistent with it.

Suppose a scientists told you that there is evidence for some phenomenon, but that you have to believe ahead of time in that phenomenon and that the strength of your belief will determine how strong the evidence seen is.

Do you see the problem?

I see your problem but mine has been solved

 

[Polymath257]

I see your problem but mine has been solved

In any way that would actually be evidence to a non-believer?

 

[Valjean]

Of course " religion" explained reality.

Astronomy, relativity, chemistry, geology, quantum mechanics, optics? Did religion explain any of these, or did it suppress inquiry into these sciences?

First, claiming technology didn't exist before the scientific revolution is false. Our ancestors had tech skills that are mostly lost today. Can you start fire by rubbing sticks together? Do you know the science of it? Can you tan hides with brain matter or break rocks to an edge sharper than steel?
I know some of this technology and it's why I find the ignorant cave man idea hilarious.

I'm not claiming technology didn't exist. Roman aqueducts, Egyptian architecture, and medieval cathedrals -- all technological marvels.
But the post-scientific explosion of technology, and the understanding and application of the underlying physical principles occurred after reliance on tradition and authority were abandoned for critical analysis and testing of observed facts. Till religion got out of the way, progress proceeded at a snail's pace.

Cave technolog was even worse. They had enough "technology" to survive -- for hundreds of thousands of years -- with no progress, no bows, throwing spears or needles; just enough to get by.

 

[Valjean]

I have studied wild canines my entire life. They are not moral. A wolf tearing apart a living animal has morality? Come on, get real.

So you're a vegetarian?

And if it's just rules then there has to be an ultimate rule maker. Or I can always make my own rules.

That doesn't follow -- and what's wrong with making your own rules, as long as the principles underlying them are sound?

God gives us a conscience. That's not external.

You didn't answer the question.

 

[Valjean]

God did it
“What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭2:12-14‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Huh?

 

[Wildswanderer]

But there's a commonsense, reasonable explanation for the existence of a natural, biological morality. The goddidit hypothesis is pure, unsupported speculation.

I have yet to see a convincing reason for morality in a godless universe. You can have some sort of subjective rules about behavior but not objective morality.

 

[Wildswanderer]

So you're a vegetarian?

Um, no, why would you assume that? I also don't tear off the hindquarters of a living creature and eat it while the creature is still alive.
I kill as quickly and cleanly as possible. That's a human trait. It's not something an animal concerns himself with.

 

[Wildswanderer]

That doesn't follow -- and what's wrong with making your own rules, as long as the principles underlying them are sound?

Because I can literally decide it's moral to kill and eat you. What principles are you talking about and where do they come from?

 

[Wildswanderer]

But that's the religious assertion, isn't it? Magic poofing?

No that's a so called scientific theory called. abiogenesis, "or informally the origin of life (OoL) the natural process by which life has supposedly arisen from non-living matter, such as simple organic compounds.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Please give an example of this anarchy, and why the law not doing its job caused it.

Most of the anarchy I've seen was instigated by the law trying to do a job it had no business doing.

Let's see.... taking over blocks of a major city, interfering with all the businesses there, attacking a federal courthouse for months on end, with IEDs, and other objects hurled at police officers.
Hundreds of officers hurt in riots, people killed in riots, billions in property damage in riots. Attacking innocent people, screaming in their faces, threatening business owners if they didn't put BLM signs up .. that's just a little of it.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Till religion got out of the way, progress proceeded at a snail's pace.

When did religion get out of the way? Did people suddenly stop being religious? Many of the people who made major scientific finds were religious people.

 

[Valjean]

Maybe unsupported using the current scientific approach because currently there is no way to prove spiritual matters other than seeing the physical outcome of God being there as in a person being delivered supernaturally like I was. How you going to prove that with the current technology? Wouldn’t it be arrogant to assume it isn’t so just because you currently don’t have the ability to see it?

Wouldn't it be logically erroneous to generalize your results, when many have achieved similar results without God, or with a different God?

Where does he lack a moral compass? 2020 with the riots showed this to be true, defund police and no punishment for crime and look what happens.

1. You don't understand what "defund the police" means.
2. The riots were caused by the police.

 

[ElishaElijah]

The riots were caused by the police.

No they weren’t

 

[Wildswanderer]

. You don't understand what "defund the police" means.
2. The riots were caused by the police.

 

[ElishaElijah]

1. You don't understand what "defund the police" means.

It means take funds away from the police department and use it somewhere else. Translation- not enough law enforcement to catch the bad guys and results in more crime.