A Question to 'Anti-Zionists'

[jewscout]

When i post that Talmud , no one reject it



so is this talmud fake or credibale ?

Rabbi Shimon ben Yochai said: The graves of gentiles do not cause ritual impurity in a dwelling as it says (Ezekiel 34:31) "Now, you [Israel] are My sheep , the sheep of My pasture, you are Man (Adam)…" You [Israel, the subject of the verse] are called Man (Adam) and gentiles are not called Man (Adam). Talmud Keritot 6b


it's not clearly said gentiles are not "Adam "

the Talmud is a complex document which, apparently, my brothers and sisters have attempted to explain to you, but it is clear that it falls on the deaf ears of someone with an agenda to push.

no amount of evidence or interpretation will change your view of the Talmud, and by extension jews and Judaism, I understand that now

you do not accept my argument regarding the Talmud, I do not accept your argument regarding the genocidal use of Islamic teaching by Hamas and groups like them

thank you for that

this total lack of open honest dialogue and mutual understanding only reinforces my view that my children will live and die never seeing an end to the conflict in the land of their birth.

 

[Godobeyer]

jewscout before you continue i have to tell you that we(seriously every Jewish member of the forum) have been over the Talmud with Godobeyer again and again.
We have explained to him how it is structured and how the various parts of it are read and interpreted.

let's do it with Jewscout

I did not convinced the explianation , because some Talmuds verses whom teaching racist, used by Top Rabbi of Israel Rabbi Ovadia Yosef .

did the Israeli goverment deny/reject his (Yosef) explaination/teaching of Talmud ?

 

[Godobeyer]

the Talmud is a complex document which, apparently, my brothers and sisters have attempted to explain to you, but it is clear that it falls on the deaf ears of someone with an agenda to push.

no amount of evidence or interpretation will change your view of the Talmud, and by extension jews and Judaism, I understand that now

you do not accept my argument regarding the Talmud, I do not accept your argument regarding the genocidal use of Islamic teaching by Hamas and groups like them

thank you for that

this total lack of open honest dialogue and mutual understanding only reinforces my view that my children will live and die never seeing an end to the conflict in the land of their birth.

First, English is not my first langauge , since Talmud is translation of English used by very simple words , its very comprehesionable to me .

in that Talmud , it's seems they used the two words : Bani Adam (Hebrew/Arabic), son of Adam , it's translated to man in English !!!

I don't understand something here , is that verse of Talmud is very complexed to have many interpretations (explainations ) ?

 

[xkatz]

did the Israeli goverment deny/reject his (Yosef) explaination/teaching of Talmud ?

He was pretty much universally condemned by Israeli officials and many rabbis and he later admitted that he said was wrong and misguided.

 

[Godobeyer]

He was pretty much universally condemned by Israeli officials and many rabbis and he later admitted that he said was wrong and misguided.

good

Do you have a link about this story ?

I mean how he find him self wrong , and how he got misguided the Top Rabbi of Israel !!!!

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

... and he later admitted that he said was wrong and misguided.

He is part of a reprehensible strain of racism that the Israeli civil rights movement works diligently to address and repudiate. I know of no evidence to suggest that he ever admitted to being a narrow minded bigot.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

See Accused Racists Leading Field in Chief Rabbi Race.

 

[jewscout]

See Accused Racists Leading Field in Chief Rabbi Race.

makes me wonder why we bother with a chief rabbi at all

 

[Alceste]

Without reading all 16 pages, I'll just jump in and say I support the natural right to self determination and self government for all individuals and cultural groups, while being acutely aware that this right must be conscientiously exercised in order to avoid impeding the natural rights of others. When this is not the case, I cease to support the right.

 

[xkatz]

He is part of a reprehensible strain of racism that the Israeli civil rights movement works diligently to address and repudiate. I know of no evidence to suggest that he ever admitted to being a narrow minded bigot.

I'm not saying he ever admitted to being a bigot, but he did admit in some form his statement was a stupid one to make:

The rabbi said he regretted his statements, and was said to have looked for a way of sending a conciliatory message to the Palestinians. Three weeks later, Yosef sent out a conciliatory message reiterating his old positions in support of the peace process. He wished the Palestinians and their leaders, "who are partners to this important [peace] process and want its success long days and years". He continued, "The People of Israel are taught to seek peace, and three times daily pray for it. We wish for a sustainable peace with all our neighbors". He blessed "all the leaders and peoples, Egyptians Jordanians and Palestinians, who are partners to this important process and want its success, a process that will bring peace to our region and prevent bloodshed."

Unfortunately, many clerics on both sides of the conflict use hateful rhetoric.

 

[CMike]

When i post that Talmud , no one reject it



so is this talmud fake or credibale ?

Rabbi Shimon ben Yochai said: The graves of gentiles do not cause ritual impurity in a dwelling as it says (Ezekiel 34:31) "Now, you [Israel] are My sheep , the sheep of My pasture, you are Man (Adam)…" You [Israel, the subject of the verse] are called Man (Adam) and gentiles are not called Man (Adam). Talmud Keritot 6b


it's not clearly said gentiles are not "Adam "

That is NOT what it says. It says "heathens" aren't called man.

Funny, how muslims are not Talmudic experts.

 

[Wirey]

I get that not everyone is going to agree with Israeli gov't and it's policy, for good reasons. But Zionism at it's core is basically more or less self-determination for Jews. So unless you are a hardcore Marxist or anti-nationalist, why do other peoples have (or should have) the right to self-determination and nationhood if they want, but Jews don't?

Zionism suggests a religious element. Israeli statehood is great. Another mess of religious fundamentalists applying God to statecraft, meh, not so much.

 

[metis]

Zionism suggests a religious element. Israeli statehood is great. Another mess of religious fundamentalists applying God to statecraft, meh, not so much.

Actually the Zionist movement was by far mostly secular and it remains as such.

 

[Wirey]

Actually the Zionist movement was by far mostly secular and it remains as such.

Then why not call it the "Israel movement" and remove all doubt?

 

[Wirey]

As an aside, this thread is disrespectful to Uncle Zionist. They're a team, you know!

 

[Godobeyer]

That is NOT what it says. It says "heathens" aren't called man.

Funny, how muslims are not Talmudic experts.

I did not claim that i am experts .

IF your experts (Rabbis Yosuf for exmple) regrets to say , because they accused ,when they using racist teaching of Talmud , so you don't suppose to blame me .

btw
Heathens (non-jews).
It's stay the the same meaning , Heathens are not called son of adam (Bani adam).

 

[metis]

btw
Heathens (non-jews).
It's stay the the same meaning , Heathens are not called son of adam (Bani adam).

Non-Jews are not called "Heathens" by us Jews-- they're referred to as "gentiles", as found in scripture. "Heathens" is not found there.

 

[Avi1001]

Non-Jews are not called "Heathens" by us Jews-- they're referred to as "gentiles", as found in scripture. "Heathens" is not found there.

There are several folks that I might call "heathens".

 

[metis]

There are several folks that I might call "heathens".

Ya, and I know who comes to mind, Avi.

Shabbat shalom

 

[Godobeyer]

Non-Jews are not called "Heathens" by us Jews-- they're referred to as "gentiles", as found in scripture. "Heathens" is not found there.

talk to CMIKE ,not ME

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