A question to those who question trinity

[9-10ths_Penguin]

He couldve chose to do what He wanted and He did, It really doesnt matter what you or I think when it comes to what He chose to do.

Why do you say that?

God's not taking coaching from humanity (though my explanation for this is probably different from yours), but that doesn't mean we can't evaluate whether his purported actions were moral, especially since we're talking about our own decision as well: is it moral to accept Jesus' sacrifice? IMO, this depends on whether the sacrifice was moral in the first place... and not just from the viewpoint of the person being sacrificed, but also from the viewpoint of the maker of the law that demanded the sacrifice.

all types of beings want to be in the presence of God. If A person chose not to be in the presence of God that would be there choice. God bless

But if being in the presence of God is so great, then someone who didn't want to be there would have to have something wrong with him, no?

 

[roddio]

Why do you say that?

God's not taking coaching from humanity (though my explanation for this is probably different from yours), but that doesn't mean we can't evaluate whether his purported actions were moral, especially since we're talking about our own decision as well: is it moral to accept Jesus' sacrifice? IMO, this depends on whether the sacrifice was moral in the first place... and not just from the viewpoint of the person being sacrificed, but also from the viewpoint of the maker of the law that demanded the sacrifice.


But if being in the presence of God is so great, then someone who didn't want to be there would have to have something wrong with him, no?

God is definetly not taking coaching from us its the other way around, being a believer to me God/Jesus can do no wrong. being in the presence of God to a believer is more than great, but to a non believer it may not be. In my opinion as a believer I would say that anybody who doesnt want to be in the presence of God has something wrong with them but im not the Judge. God bless

 

[roddio]

I'm not disputing whether or not they were inspired by God; several pieces of literature over the ages have had divine inspiration; I've written a some poems that were inspired by the divine. (Though most of them are incomplete.)

The question is whether or not they were actually dictated by God through a person, which, I think, is clearly not the case with the vast majority of Biblical literature.

The Bible's contents are not consistent. Do you accept the so-called Apocrypha as God-inspired? Not just Jewish Apocrypha, but Christian Apocrypha? Do you accept the Secrets of Enoch? The Book of Jubilees? The Ethiopian Bible includes these texts. What about The Shepherd of Hermas? The Acts of Pilate? The Gospel of Thomas? Were they dictated by God?

Yes I believed the whole bible was dictacted by God to man, I have heard about some of the books you've listed but ive never read any of them but what I will say is this if they was suppose to be in the bible they wouldve been that's the kinda of God I serve. tell me about your beliefs so I may ask you some questions. God bless

 

[Riverwolf]

Yes I believed the whole bible was dictacted by God to man, I have heard about some of the books you've listed but ive never read any of them but what I will say is this if they was suppose to be in the bible they wouldve been that's the kinda of God I serve. tell me about your beliefs so I may ask you some questions. God bless

I'll take that to the PM box.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

God is definetly not taking coaching from us its the other way around, being a believer to me God/Jesus can do no wrong.

But then how do you explain the apparent obvioius injustice of the Atonement? If the punishment of a truly innocent person for the crimes of others is actually just and moral, then doesn't this mean that our own moral sense is so far out of whack that we can't tell right from wrong at all?

being in the presence of God to a believer is more than great, but to a non believer it may not be.

How could anyone actually in the presence of God be a "non believer"?

In my opinion as a believer I would say that anybody who doesnt want to be in the presence of God has something wrong with them but im not the Judge. God bless

Well, if they have something wrong with them, then this would mean that they weren't perfect, wouldn't it?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Yes I believed the whole bible was dictacted by God to man, I have heard about some of the books you've listed but ive never read any of them but what I will say is this if they was suppose to be in the bible they wouldve been that's the kinda of God I serve.

1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees and several other books are all in the Bible... the Catholic Bible. They're also not in the Bible... the Bible of most Protestant denominations.

Whether they were "supposed" to be in the Bible apparently depends on what denomination you belong to.

I'd also be interested to hear your take on passages and books that are in the Bible but appear to be later additions... the longer ending of Mark, for instance.

 

[sojourner]

I dont belong to any denomination. What I think about whatever ending is in the bible it suppose to be there at the council of Nicea they went through what should and what shouldnt be there and I believe that God was there putting His stamp of approval on it. God bless

The Council of Nicea had nothing to do with the canonization of scripture.

 

[roddio]

But then how do you explain the apparent obvioius injustice of the Atonement? If the punishment of a truly innocent person for the crimes of others is actually just and moral, then doesn't this mean that our own moral sense is so far out of whack that we can't tell right from wrong at all?

God decided that Jesus death would atone for guilty people. the problem with us is that even when were wrong we think were right a problem that Jesus continually encountered with the pharisees

How could anyone actually in the presence of God be a "non believer"?

Paul had an encouter with Jesus and he was a christian killer

Well, if they have something wrong with them, then this would mean that they weren't perfect, wouldn't it?

none of us are perfect but were striving to be around perfection(God) regardless of what God it is you serve. God bless

 

[roddio]

The Council of Nicea had nothing to do with the canonization of scripture.[/quot thank you for the correction. G

 

[xkatz]

To fully be human means to embrace mortality. the Incarnation itself reconciled us to God.

God≠Human

 

[roddio]

1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees and several other books are all in the Bible... the Catholic Bible. They're also not in the Bible... the Bible of most Protestant denominations.

Whether they were "supposed" to be in the Bible apparently depends on what denomination you belong to.

I'd also be interested to hear your take on passages and books that are in the Bible but appear to be later additions... the longer ending of Mark, for instance.

I dont belong to any denominations. I read the bible and ask God to explain. Ive read in the bible where it says that this was added later but I read it for what it is and for the lessons I learn. God bless