A religious practice question

[Kenny]

I would respectfully suggest that Jesus was beaten and crucified precisely because people - particularly people in authority - were scared of him.

Not to the point of having a whole group of people with guards and swords fall backwards just because he said "I am he". They may have been scared of how Rome can interpret what was happening or even loosing the power they had but not to the point of fainting or falling backwards just because he spoke

 

[Thief]

Well I no longer go to that church if that's what you mean.

neither do I.....long time not

and I do feel better

 

[nPeace]

Upon meditation to figure why there is a disconnect, I have come to the conclusion that it is like trying to share with another person what it is like to know that you are a child of God when they have never experienced it. The experience of knowing is, IMV, too powerful to express in words. You can only know what it is like when you have actually gone through it.

Likewise, by your posts I can see that you have never experienced the presence of God is such a magnitude that you can't get off your seat to stand. Or His presence is so strong that you have no words than can be uttered or, for that matter, have God's presence so great that you can no longer stand on physical feet and you fall into his presence.

And because you haven't, you try to explain why it is that what is in black and white isn't what it says.



So, for an example, I shared about Chronicles 5:17 - you start talking about Chronicles 7 and bring up issues that have nothing to do with Chronicles 5.

Or you bring up "Abraham", which has nothing to do with what we are talking about... again, just trying to fill in with items that has nothing to do with the subject matter.

I could go on, but the same principle




And then you come up with "listening to the voice of demons" (as if after 38 year of hearing the voice of God in multiple ways, forms and fashions (not literally hearing the voice but as Jesus said "My sheep hear my voice".)

No, my friend, by your posts I would come to the conclusion that you just haven't had the experiences of the gifts of the Spirit and you are trying to explain away what God is doing and has done.

Trying to sound righteous or a child of God, doesn't make you either Ken. Please use the Bible instead. Jesus used God's word. Did he not?

 

[nPeace]

Not to the point of having a whole group of people with guards and swords fall backwards just because he said "I am he". They may have been scared of how Rome can interpret what was happening or even loosing the power they had but not to the point of fainting or falling backwards just because he spoke

Now they fainted? You do like to add, don't you Ken?

 

[InChrist]

I'm sure they are saying the same thing about your churches.

No... and they certainly aren't creepy or fake. They worship God with all of their hearts.(I've been in some of their services in Honduras)

If there are any demoniac activity, it would be people being delivered.

I really don’t intend to be argumentative or negative about other churches. I do believe there are many, many true faith believers in Pentecostal churches. I’ve had lots of friends over the years who are Pentecostals and I have been to their churches. But I think some of the practices are unbiblical. Having been involved with new age and occult activity before being saved by Jesus Christ just gives me a sense that what is too often is taking place is not by the Holy Spirit, but another spirit.

I’m not saying I don’t believe in the gifts of the Spirit. I have read accounts of what I believe to be actual powerful activity of the Spirit by missionaries bringing the gospel to new areas. I just don’t think what is practiced in American churches is anymore that that...a practice, a show, or emotionalism or worse unbiblical behavior that crosses over to occult activity.

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[Kenny]

Trying to sound righteous or a child of God, doesn't make you either Ken. Please use the Bible instead. Jesus used God's word. Did he not?

I did use the Bible... but understand why you can't respond.

 

[Kenny]

Now they fainted? You do like to add, don't you Ken?

You didn't read it correctly.

 

[Kenny]

I really don’t intend to be argumentative or negative about other churches

thank you... that was my point

But I think some of the practices are unbiblical

Yes... there are many people who think that of other churches. But I like Romans 14 where it simply says that for one it may be unbiblical but it may be biblical to another for they do it "as unto the Lord".

Not to say there aren't things that are unbiblical.

Having been involved with new age and occult activity before being saved by Jesus Christ just gives me a sense that what is too often is taking place is not by the Holy Spirit, but another spirit.

That could be true. Certainly Jesus had cast out spirits in the Synagogue even though Jesus was having a very spiritual service.

I’m not saying I don’t believe in the gifts of the Spirit. I have read accounts of what I believe to be actual powerful activity of the Spirit by missionaries bringing the gospel to new areas. I just don’t think what is practiced in American churches is anymore that that...a practice, a show, or emotionalism or worse unbiblical behavior that crosses over to occult activity.

Certainly there are times when it is emotionalism. My point is that pentecostalism, in my experience, is very biblical and the gifts of the Spirit are still in operation.

And most definitely Paul had to bring order into the experience as he explained in 1 Corinthians 12-14.

And, at times, even to have the prophetic judged whether it is of God or not and to test the spirits.

 

[nPeace]

I did use the Bible... but understand why you can't respond.

Of course you did use the Bible to quote text that has nothing to do with what you believe happened.
Can't respond!!!? When did I not respond? Can you show me?
Try Daniel 8:17, 18
Slain by the spirit, or so terrified he fainted?
Seems to me the Bible makes it clear, it's the later.
This is what I have shown you repeatedly... but you aint budging, are you?
So I will just leave you with holding on to that.
See you later.

 

[Kenny]

Of course you did use the Bible to quote text that has nothing to do with what you believe happened.
Can't respond!!!? When did I not respond? Can you show me?
Try Daniel 8:17, 18
Slain by the spirit, or so terrified he fainted?
Seems to me the Bible makes it clear, it's the later.
This is what I have shown you repeatedly... but you aint budging, are you?
So I will just leave you with holding on to that.
See you later.

Be blessed... but when the soldiers fell backwards (one against all), it wasn't a fainting spell.

 

[metis]

...but when the soldiers fell backwards (one against all), it wasn't a fainting spell.

Too much drinking?

 

[Kenny]

Too much drinking?

No... those were the ones in the upper room. Or was it my room?

 

[thomas t]

Pentecostal churches I dont really understand...I do plan on researching them sometime

Also I can almost never tell when they are speaking in tongues or my auditory processing issues got to me.

thank you for sharing this.
Here is my stance. They potentially misunderstood your gestures and took them as being the Holy Spirit working already, I assume.
Whenever something extraordinary happens they often say it's the Holy Spirit. Could also be wrong.


There are good Pentecostal assemblies around though.
Bible is full of references of what the Holy Spirit can do, and they are the ones taking this seriously inviting the Holy Spirit to do works among them as he it did in Biblical times.

These are my two cents.

Now, when they laid hands on you, I think they meant baptism in the spirit.
This is what Peter did in Acts all the time. Whenever he laid hands on someone, they received the Holy Spirit.
The Penticostals are the ones that keep on performing this practice.
There is controversy about it though.

 

[VoidCat]

thank you for sharing this.
Here is my stance. They potentially misunderstood your gestures and took them as being the Holy Spirit working already, I assume.
Whenever something extraordinary happens they often say it's the Holy Spirit. Could also be wrong.


There are good Pentecostal assemblies around though.
Bible is full of references of what the Holy Spirit can do, and they are the ones taking this seriously inviting the Holy Spirit to do works among them as he it did in Biblical times.

These are my two cents.

Now, when they laid hands on you, I think they meant baptism in the spirit.
This is what Peter did in Acts all the time. Whenever he laid hands on someone, they received the Holy Spirit.
The Penticostals are the ones that keep on performing this practice.
There is controversy about it though.

. I caught 4 words only with what she said. Autism. Struggle. Holy Ghost.

Why did they mention my autism?

 

[thomas t]

Why did they mention my autism?

many Pentecostals want to heal.
At least speaking from my experience in Pentecostal assemblies.
So my take here: it's a 99% chance that they wanted to heal you from your autism, because efforts to heal is often what they are into. Laying hands on people is usually how they deal with illness.
Because they said "autism", it's strong evidence that they intended to heal you.

 

[VoidCat]

many Pentecostals want to heal.
At least speaking from my experience in Pentecostal assemblies.
So my take here: it's a 99% chance that they wanted to heal you from your autism, because efforts to heal is often what they are into. Laying hands on people is usually how they deal with illness.
When they said

They should've asked first. I wouldve told them I dont want a cure.

 

[thomas t]

They should've asked first. I wouldve told them I dont want a cure.

and that's exactly where I see the problem lies.
Often, penticostals get critcised for exercing peer pressure, and this is also what I often thought when I attended their assemblies.
"Anyone who wants to have [enter spiritual capacity here] stand up please!" and suddenly everyone around you shoots up from their chairs you being the only one enjoying being seated ... this can boil down to peer pressure as I see it.

 

[VoidCat]

and that's exactly where I see the problem lies.
Often, penticostals get critcised for exercing peer pressure, and this is also what I often thought when I attended their assemblies.
"Anyone who wants to have [enter spiritual capacity here] stand up please!" and suddenly everyone around you shoots up from their chairs you being the only one enjoying being seated ... this can boil down to peer pressure as I see it.

I didnt even know what was going on...like I couldnt understand what was being said and I mentioned to her(the pastor) I didn't know what was being said.

 

[thomas t]

I didnt even know what was going on...like I couldnt understand what was being said and I mentioned to her(the pastor) I didn't know what was being said.

Christians often say "Jesus is a gentleman" meaning that he doesn't enter your house unless you open the door for him.
This is also what Revelation 3 shows (I forgot the exact verse).
Seems like they did not take this seriously.

 

[VoidCat]

Christians often say "Jesus is a gentleman" meaning that he doesn't enter your house unless you open the door for him.
This is also what Revelation 3 shows (I forgot the exact verse).
Seems like they did not take this seriously.

Nope.