a sad day in NC

[columbus]

If a GAY poster picks a fight with you over something like gay marriage and is obviously offended, fight harder, and let it condition him to let him know his place in this country.

Tom

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Oh, and for heterosexual people who find them selves influenced by the gay rights trend I've found on these forums, stand your ground please, even if it's against it. If a GAY poster picks a fight with you over something like gay marriage and is obviously offended, fight harder, and let it condition him to let him know his place in this country.

Lol, you're being a gay Uncle Tom. Pathetic. You need to think about just how messed up what you said is. Just replace "heterosexual" and "gay" with "white" and "black".

 

[Skwim]

Most Gays I know, Don't really care or have an opinion for it. Most of us just keep our mouth shut.. I know others who do, and they are the activist type, so I truthfully believe that most of them want it for other reasons other than simply having the freedom.

So, go ahead and make up a few of these reasons, We're all ears. :sleep:

 

[Thruve]

Lol, you're being a gay Uncle Tom. Pathetic. You need to think about just how messed up what you said is. Just replace "heterosexual" and "gay" with "white" and "black".

I did and it sounds messed up. I'll reword that lol

Gay activists need to be put in their place* Sorry If i offended any average Gays who read that.

 

[Thruve]

So, go ahead and make up a few of these reasons, We're all ears. :sleep:

You must not have met many angry gays then, especially the older crowd in comparison to the younger generation. Go meet the gay lobbyists up in D.C

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Most Gays I know, Don't really care or have an opinion for it. Most of us just keep our mouth shut.. I know others who do, and they are the activist type, so I truthfully believe that most of them want it for other reasons other than simply having the freedom.

What other reasons could it be? Could it be the fact we look around and everywhere opposite sex couples can marry, but not same sex, even though the constitution promises equal application of the law, and that no law shall abridge the privileges or immunities the privileges of the citizens? Could it be that denying such a widely enjoyed privilege of the majority to the minority is creating a sub-class?

I did and it sounds messed up. I'll reword that lol

Gay activists need to be put in their place* Sorry If i offended any average Gays who read that.

What then, is our place? To simply accept being "beneath" the status quo and live happily knowing many rights, privileges and entitlements they have I am not to even speak of for myself?

 

[Thruve]

What other reasons could it be? Could it be the fact we look around and everywhere opposite sex couples can marry, but not same sex, even though the constitution promises equal application of the law, and that no law shall abridge the privileges or immunities the privileges of the citizens? Could it be that denying such a widely enjoyed privilege of the majority to the minority is creating a sub-class?


What then, is our place? To simply accept being "beneath" the status quo and live happily knowing many rights, privileges and entitlements they have I am not to even speak of for myself?

Are you telling me ur a gay activist?

 

[idav]

Most Gays I know, Don't really care or have an opinion for it. Most of us just keep our mouth shut.. I know others who do, and they are the activist type, so I truthfully believe that most of them want it for other reasons other than simply having the freedom.

It isn't about the reasons if it is a legal freedom, it should be equally available. Let them have at it, marriage isn't always a picnic. If the government gets much more into legalities of marriage people may not want to get married anymore. Can work against people, makes it an easy way to stick someone with the bills once a significant other passes.

 

[gzusfrk]

I thought it was for the people by the people. Right or wrong good or bad.

 

[columbus]

It isn't about the reasons if it is a legal freedom, it should be equally available. Let them have at it, marriage isn't always a picnic. If the government gets much more into legalities of marriage people may not want to get married anymore. Can work against people, makes it an easy way to stick someone with the bills once a significant other passes.

People get married because they want to be married. There is a reason that most of the people at the front of the line when a state passes civil equality laws have been together for decades.

What is new is the state getting involved. For most of human history the "powers-that-be" only cared about the marriages of the aristocracy. Those were the only people who's bloodlines mattered. Most people just jumped over a broom or started having kids or something rather less formal.

Doug and I are married because we want to be. As competent adults, we formed a mutually supportive, exclusive, and committed relationship. We don't much care what anybody else thinks. We're married, or else I'd have killed him or left years ago. He feels the same way.

It's the churches and the governments and the self-righteous busybodies who can go to hell.
Tom

 

[Thruve]

People get married because they want to be married. There is a reason that most of the people at the front of the line when a state passes civil equality laws have been together for decades.

What is new is the state getting involved. For most of human history the "powers-that-be" only cared about the marriages of the aristocracy. Those were the only people who's bloodlines mattered. Most people just jumped over a broom or started having kids or something rather less formal.

Doug and I are married because we want to be. As competent adults, we formed a mutually supportive, exclusive, and committed relationship. We don't much care what anybody else thinks. We're married, or else I'd have killed him or left years ago. He feels the same way.

It's the churches and the governments and the self-righteous busybodies who can go to hell.
Tom

Married in what state? Then you guys moved to the midwest?

 

[columbus]

Married in what state? Then you guys moved to the midwest?

Apparently you are too young to understand what marriage really is. It is the "mutually supportive, exclusive, and committed relationship between two competent adults". Not the state recognition of such. We did it right here in small town Indiana about 20 years ago.

Tom

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Are you telling me ur a gay activist?

What else would I be telling you, asides that I'm more than just a gay activist.

 

[Thruve]

What other reasons could it be? Could it be the fact we look around and everywhere opposite sex couples can marry, but not same sex, even though the constitution promises equal application of the law, and that no law shall abridge the privileges or immunities the privileges of the citizens? Could it be that denying such a widely enjoyed privilege of the majority to the minority is creating a sub-class?


What then, is our place? To simply accept being "beneath" the status quo and live happily knowing many rights, privileges and entitlements they have I am not to even speak of for myself?

Listen, If i wanted to get Married to my current boyfriend, Id go to KAY jewelers, buy a ring, and propose to him. We both are christian, so we'd acknowledge that we would be marrying before God and to eachother/friends, not to the world, not to our crazy drug neighbors, not to the lady down the street that suspects, not to our families, not to the church down the street, or to the government. We, along with many other gays I Know, don't care. We'd get married to do exactly as Columbus stated, to commit to a relationship and let everything else unfold. I don't need a legal document to define my marriage, that's for tax/legal/benefit purposes, which I stated in another post is an issue of its self that I agree gay couples should have, just not through marriage atm because our country isn't ready for it, nor is majority of the gay community, and other reasons I previously stated.

The in your face activists that push gay rights, such as gay marriage, portray their ambitions in a new light that makes all of us look bad if you ask me. We are not.. ready for it. It's creating an unnecessary rift, and the gay activist ordeals aren't playing out. When the countries truly ready, naturally, same sex benefits will be acknowledged, and eventually gay marriage will come too. Its inevitable, but right now.. its not important and no ones ready. On top of that there's other issues that need resolving such as our economy/deficit. Theres issues within the gay community I feel need to evolve and/or be resolved before gay marriage is legal anyway. Go to Montreal, or an American State where gay marriage is legalized, move there.

And if you are like any of the gay activists I see/meet around Miami, Palm Beach, and FT Lauderdale, I have no respect for you, because I know for individuals like you its more than just the freedom, its more like a game. As a side topic, I also don't understand how a gay individual could make gay rights an ambition, period, especially when they've looked at the rest of the world, if not the problems within their own country alone. Idgaf about gay rights because overall its petty to me, Im more concerned about my financial future, and changing the world in more meaningful ways that affect the world at large, not a community thats inevitably going to have rights anyway because socialism now adays for 1st world countries seems inevitable.
Look at gay communities around the world, let me know if thats what you even want to begin with, because I don't. So if thats you, Im respectively asking if you could please explain why your an activist. If you don't feel like sharing but it does involve a rainy story, I do apologize, but no.

 

[Nakosis]

All we need is same sex benefits. Long lasting couples.. to which one dies.. can allow the other to be a benefactor. I see situations like this often, thats ALL we need right now. Thats it. Let a another decade pass and see how Montreal turns out in the end in reference to the gay community, before we as a community consider advancing rights, cause ATM all i've known it to be is a cesspool.

Not my issue, but I think marriage is overrated. I certainly don't treat couples who are married any differently then couples who aren't. I tend to think the less the government is involved the better. I suppose I'm glad that you don't need the government or anyone else to acknowledge your relationship. A lot of hetero couples have no need for marriage. Kind of antiquated?

Is it mean? Yes, but there will always be someone around not approving of your lifestyle. I'd recommend ignoring them because they are not important. I'm not against gay marriage nor for. Again, not my issue, but I think you should be accepted and treated equal regardless of whether you jump on the bandwagon or not.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The in your face activists that push gay rights, such as gay marriage, portray their ambitions in a new light that makes all of us look bad if you ask me. We are not.. ready for it. It's creating an unnecessary rift, and the gay activist ordeals aren't playing out. When the countries truly ready, naturally, same sex benefits will be acknowledged, and eventually gay marriage will come too. Its inevitable, but right now.. its not important and no ones ready. On top of that there's other issues that need resolving such as our economy/deficit. Theres issues within the gay community I feel need to evolve and/or be resolved before gay marriage is legal anyway. Go to Montreal, or an American State where gay marriage is legalized, move there.

If you're not ready, then you're not ready. Don't get married. Plenty of gay couples are ready and wanting to take that ritualized step that declares them married.

And if you are like any of the gay activists I see/meet around Miami, Palm Beach, and FT Lauderdale, I have no respect for you, because I know for individuals like you its more than just the freedom, its more like a game. As a side topic, I also don't understand how a gay individual could make gay rights an ambition, period, especially when they've looked at the rest of the world, if not the problems within their own country alone. Idgaf about gay rights because overall its petty to me, Im more concerned about my financial future, and changing the world in more meaningful ways that affect the world at large, not a community thats inevitably going to have rights anyway because socialism now adays for 1st world countries seems inevitable.
Look at gay communities around the world, let me know if thats what you even want to begin with, because I don't. So if thats you, Im respectively asking if you could please explain why your an activist. If you don't feel like sharing but it does involve a rainy story, I do apologize, but no.

For one, people in Florida are abit different than people in Indiana. People in big cities tend to be fairly different than those who live in small town/rural areas (we're more laid back and often times more friendly). Freedom is what it's about. If freedom is not enjoyed by all (those that should have it; serial killers obviously need restrictions on their freedom for the safety of others), then their lies a cause worth taking up.

 

[Thruve]

If you're not ready, then you're not ready. Don't get married. Plenty of gay couples are ready and wanting to take that ritualized step that declares them married.

For one, people in Florida are abit different than people in Indiana. People in big cities tend to be fairly different than those who live in small town/rural areas (we're more laid back and often times more friendly). Freedom is what it's about. If freedom is not enjoyed by all (those that should have it; serial killers obviously need restrictions on their freedom for the safety of others), then their lies a cause worth taking up.

"No ones ready", I was referring to the country as a whole, not me in particular.
Your free to get married. Go buy an engagement ring, get engaged, set up a wedding, and invite everyone you love. Thats all you need and ur free to do it! Now, if your wanting the legal benefits a marriage offers, I already said that that is a different argument. If its not for legal benefits, then its the rub it in my face that many gay activists come off like.
Btw, if you ever come to South Florida, or go to the keys, send me a message lol, I can let you guys know of some good hotels/areas/companies/ etc, or if anyone here wants to go to orlando, specifically Universal, I always hold an annual pass so i get cheap tix, send me cash via paypal and ill buy your tix, or ask me for a annual pass promo code. It includes discounts on hotels but I think Id have to go check in the hotel for you, so idk about the hotel deal.

btw my mother grew up in New Albany so I've been there a few times. The weather was dreary the whole time and my hair ( though shaved now) froze when I went outside after a shower ( not used to cold weather ). It was nice there, so country, and lots of roads next to cliffs with falling rocks signs.

 

[columbus]

Listen, If i wanted to get Married to my current boyfriend, Id go to KAY jewelers, buy a ring, and propose to him. We both are christian, so we'd acknowledge that we would be marrying before God and to eachother/friends, not to the world, not to our crazy drug neighbors, not to the lady down the street that suspects, not to our families, not to the church down the street, or to the government. We, along with many other gays I Know, don't care. We'd get married to do exactly as Columbus stated, to commit to a relationship and let everything else unfold. I don't need a legal document to define my marriage, that's for tax/legal/benefit purposes, which I stated in another post is an issue of its self that I agree gay couples should have, just not through marriage atm because our country isn't ready for it, nor is majority of the gay community, and other reasons I previously stated.

The in your face activists that push gay rights, such as gay marriage, portray their ambitions in a new light that makes all of us look bad if you ask me. We are not.. ready for it. It's creating an unnecessary rift, and the gay activist ordeals aren't playing out. When the countries truly ready, naturally, same sex benefits will be acknowledged, and eventually gay marriage will come too. Its inevitable, but right now.. its not important and no ones ready. On top of that there's other issues that need resolving such as our economy/deficit. Theres issues within the gay community I feel need to evolve and/or be resolved before gay marriage is legal anyway. Go to Montreal, or an American State where gay marriage is legalized, move there.

And if you are like any of the gay activists I see/meet around Miami, Palm Beach, and FT Lauderdale, I have no respect for you, because I know for individuals like you its more than just the freedom, its more like a game. As a side topic, I also don't understand how a gay individual could make gay rights an ambition, period, especially when they've looked at the rest of the world, if not the problems within their own country alone. Idgaf about gay rights because overall its petty to me, Im more concerned about my financial future, and changing the world in more meaningful ways that affect the world at large, not a community thats inevitably going to have rights anyway because socialism now adays for 1st world countries seems inevitable.
Look at gay communities around the world, let me know if thats what you even want to begin with, because I don't. So if thats you, Im respectively asking if you could please explain why your an activist. If you don't feel like sharing but it does involve a rainy story, I do apologize, but no.

Generally speaking, I don't like gay people. I avoid them, especially when in groups.

Tom

 

[Thruve]

Generally speaking, I don't like gay people. I avoid them, especially when in groups.

Tom

Aye, same. My Question to you, if you don't mind me asking, is why xP

Mind me, Boss. I generally never talk about my homosexuality with anybody, so me talking about it here actually makes me feel better (first forum I've been open with), So if I've hit some nerves of yours, or anybodys else's rather, I do apologize lol

 

[idav]

People get married because they want to be married. There is a reason that most of the people at the front of the line when a state passes civil equality laws have been together for decades.

What is new is the state getting involved. For most of human history the "powers-that-be" only cared about the marriages of the aristocracy. Those were the only people who's bloodlines mattered. Most people just jumped over a broom or started having kids or something rather less formal.

Doug and I are married because we want to be. As competent adults, we formed a mutually supportive, exclusive, and committed relationship. We don't much care what anybody else thinks. We're married, or else I'd have killed him or left years ago. He feels the same way.

It's the churches and the governments and the self-righteous busybodies who can go to hell.
Tom

I am totally pro marriage and can understand the need for it and also just being committed. I heard somewhere that marraige, the act of it, is an expression of love, a way to show love to others who get to witness is. I have been married only 14 years but look forward to spending many more years, god willing. I just get upset about the bearocracy of it but can understand some of the need and is helpful when they consider you a unit, cause it is. The religious aspect is a bit much too, we got married nondenominational.