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a sad day in NC

DreadFish

Cosmic Vagabond
Democracy only works with a well educated and well informed public.
Clearly that was not the case in NC. :sarcastic

I also agree with Road Warrior, but yes, it is true. I know people in NC who voted for the amendment because the bible says gay people shouldn't be married. One person didnt even mind gay people himself, but still voted for the amendment. He also got offended when I suggested that he was not educating himself and thinking for himself, and told me that he watched the news...

I think most people didnt even realize that it was already illegal anyway and by voting on said amendment, they just voted to make **** worse for more than just homosexual people. Most people probably just voted for it because they didnt agree with homosexual marriage.


Not too much irritates me, but ignorance (ESPECIALLY willful ignorance), and stupidity really tend to irk me.
 

jarofthoughts

Empirical Curmudgeon
I would change that to "Democracy works best with a...." but overall I agree with your concept.

If you imagine the complete opposite side of the scale; a democracy with an uneducated, uninformed, and therefore ignorant public, democracy can actually do more harm than good.

And to be sure, I'm not just bashing the US on this one.
My own (now dead) grandfather voted against Norway entering the EU back in the day because he was afraid the Germans would come and take all our fish.
Now, there are plenty of reason why joining the EU is a bad idea, but that is not one of them.

The same goes for the more global cause of saving the rainforests because they are the 'lungs of the world'.
While I fully support the fact that we shouldn't just chop down and burn the rainforests and see plenty of reasons why doing so is stupid; oxygen production is not one of them.

In other words, ignorance is dangerous.
 

Tarheeler

Argumentative Curmudgeon
Premium Member
Can a judge overturn the law, when 61% of the population supports the law?

They can when it violates the Constitution or already established statutes. It's one of the ways we prevent a tyranny of the majority.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Is it violating?
I'm not familiar enuf to offer an opinion on this specific law.
But I did find something which might interest both of us...
The Moral and Constitutional Case for a Right to Gay Marriage | Cato Institute

Btw, I know it's risky to post something I haven't read yet, but I've enuf
confidence in this organization to argue on behalf of liberty (& libertines)
to believe it will be interesting. This is not only because they lean towards
constitutional originalism, but their connection with the Koch Bros will have
the lefties thinking....
"They're pro-gay marriage.....but wait, they're pro capitalism.....but they're
pro-LGBT rights.....but wait, they're funded by the Kochs.....but wait.....
Error! Error! Error!
It looks a lot like this....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6o881n35GU
And then they explode.
 
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Thruve

Sheppard for the Die Hard
Oh no.. the 1-2% of the population cant marry, and maybe 10-20% of that overall 1-2%.
The youthful can't marry Sugar Daddy for inheritance, cause that will surely happen alot.
Sugar Daddy cant marry the young for.... rather not go there.
Many would just marry over benefits from the others job (health insurance/etc), and probably stay married although they've broken up and moved on in some situations.

The homosexual community doesn't need marriage guys. Acknowledge benefits to same sex couples, that's all that they need.

The same travesties marriage inflicts on people now will only be taken into a new darkness if US gays have the right. Many will thrive in a marriage, and happily too, and I include myself there, But I know my community, and my stand is GO NC! Though they prob did it over pride and angst, stupid imo, but unknowingly saving the community more heartache until our community as a whole changes things around. It did nothing for Montreal anyhow but promote.. a bs lifestyle downtown over the nothingness the rights offer. So petty, and I refuse to see any gayman throw away his dignity for marriage rights.. Seriously..
 
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Thruve

Sheppard for the Die Hard
Oh, and for heterosexual people who find them selves influenced by the gay rights trend I've found on these forums, stand your ground please, even if it's against it. If a GAY poster picks a fight with you over something like gay marriage and is obviously offended, fight harder, and let it condition him to let him know his place in this country. Just because hes gay doesn't mean that he's special or deserves special treatment like marriage rights to begin with. Its a sexual preference, not a stupid lifestyle, and all gay's needs to know that imo. You have all the freedom in the world here in the US to act as you please and do as you please, and with the trend now no one will admittedly judge you. But I refuse to let the gay activists condition the gay community as a whole to the EPIC status of a 'minority group' that needs special treatment and rights. WE DO NOT need be seen.. as a minority, WE NEED to BE SEEN AS ORDINARY PEOPLE, not with a lifestyle, but just with a sexual preference. I don't need the government involved with my life either, its my business.


All we need is same sex benefits. Long lasting couples.. to which one dies.. can allow the other to be a benefactor. I see situations like this often, thats ALL we need right now. Thats it. Let a another decade pass and see how Montreal turns out in the end in reference to the gay community, before we as a community consider advancing rights, cause ATM all i've known it to be is a cesspool.

Older gays generally are bigger activists mainly because of their anger over the fact that majority of their lives were spent elsewhere in comparison to the newer age of gays, as if the newer age of gays are healthier.. and I can understand that..but what the elder don't understand is that its not them who's paying the price.. though they felt they did.. its us, the younger generation. If anyone wants an explanation on why, let me know, id be glad to go in depth there.
 
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Amechania

Daimona of the Helpless
The homosexual community doesn't need marriage guys. Acknowledge benefits to same sex couples, that's all that they need.

The heterosexual community doesn't need marriage guys. Acknowledge benefits to opposite sex couples, that's all they need.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Oh, and for heterosexual people who find them selves influenced by the gay rights trend I've found on these forums, stand your ground please, even if it's against it. If a GAY poster picks a fight with you over something like gay marriage and is obviously offended, fight harder, and let it condition him to let him know his place in this country. Just because hes gay doesn't mean that he's special or deserves special treatment like marriage rights to begin with.
You're right, of course, that homosexuals do not deserve extra privileges. However, our American/Western culture has this thing that we have dubbed "marriage" to announce our commitment to one-another to society. This is what our society has, but the gay community is denied this social norm that the majority freely have a right to. Demanding equal rights is not asking for special privilege.
 

Thruve

Sheppard for the Die Hard
You're right, of course, that homosexuals do not deserve extra privileges. However, our American/Western culture has this thing that we have dubbed "marriage" to announce our commitment to one-another to society. This is what our society has, but the gay community is denied this social norm that the majority freely have a right to. Demanding equal rights is not asking for special privilege.


Most Gays I know, Don't really care or have an opinion for it. Most of us just keep our mouth shut.. I know others who do, and they are the activist type, so I truthfully believe that most of them want it for other reasons other than simply having the freedom.
 
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