A Universe from Nothing?

[Rick O'Shez]

You're obviously delusional and attached to your fantasies. You really need a psychiatrist to help you out of that corner you've somehow managed to paint yourself into.

You're just projecting again. You are the one who is surgically attached to a head-full of delusional metaphysical nonsense, your Precious, your dogmatic new-age twaddle, no part two, not even a credible part one, nothing. The enormous holes in your naff DIY religion have been repeatedly exposed and you have no credible response, you can only regurgitate the same old discredited nonsense.

You might do better preaching your Chopra-inspired fantasies on a new-age forum where people are more gullible.

 

[godnotgod]

.... no part two, not even a credible part one, nothing.

Part one will appear to be not credible until you get it. Until then, you will not be ready for part two and beyond. It may take another 30 years or so on your mat as you struggle with it, but eventually it will dawn on you, as it is there all the while, right under your very nose.

Then again, some people like a good struggle, but, as the Buddha so eloquently pointed out, struggle and suffering are optional. We real Buddhists call that 'the long way home'. Oh, you'll eventually get there, alright, but will hit every bump in the road in doing so, ha ha.

Hasta la vista, baby!

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Part one will appear to be not credible until you get it. Until then, you will not be ready for part two and beyond. It may take another 30 years or so on your mat as you struggle with it, but eventually it will dawn on you, as it is there all the while, right under your very nose.

Then again, some people like a good struggle, but, as the Buddha so eloquently pointed out, struggle and suffering are optional. We real Buddhists call that 'the long way home'. Oh, you'll eventually get there, alright, but will hit every bump in the road in doing so, ha ha.

Hasta la vista, baby!

Utter tripe. As usual when you cannot provide a coherent response to criticisms of your naff DIY religion you indulge in lame ad homs.

You are just a preachy new-ager on an attention-seeking ego-trip, arrogant and obnoxious, just like your hero, the charlatan Chopra, that dodgy snake-oil seller.

 

[godnotgod]

Utter tripe.

Aw, poor baby! There, there, now. You're just in denial, that's all. You have almost zero intuitive insight, so you get mad and attack the messenger. Mwaaaaah! Whine!

 

[`mud]

Jesus my Arse !!!!!!!!!
One of you is wrong half the time,
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It's the day after the day after that one out there !!!!
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And the other is lost in loss of reality,
YAY !!! It's tomorrow stupid !
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Now........there's the nothingness from all this comes,
........isn't hell on this earth ? Can't get that straight ?
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hey you guys......compare hell to heaven,
and explain where they are.....not the Jewish version please,
I understand that view,
How does 'God' send me to hell ?
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Sooooo. count those ridiculous examples of nothingness sources to your scores.
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Only Thief got it almost right,
he thinks he'll not run out of time !
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enough of this crap, back to important comparisons of egoism,
and some lack of same,
but the religion aspect pulls the facts down to hell level,
really hard to explain, nirvana is non-existent !
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Nuff crappy stuff,
get back to getting back to it !!!!

 

[Thief]

You said there is no duality, and yet, you talk about 'your Father's House', being Heaven, the dual opposite of Hell.

no...no...no...

heaven is a state of mind and heart.....shared with others of the same mind and heart
hell is a state of mind and heart.....dealt likewise

they are not opposites

 

[Thief]

Do they both occupy the same space?

a fair question.....I will attempt a reply

some people say He is omnipresent
I do not believe that
He would have a sense of location
How He would define His Presence is likely different that what we call....present

I do not hear His Voice in my head
My thoughts are my own
He is not in my head

The universe is very large.
if He has a sense of location.....He has a sense of movement

substance cannot be used to shield you
He is the Almighty
He can be anywhere He 'thinks'

 

[godnotgod]

no...no...no...

heaven is a state of mind and heart.....shared with others of the same mind and heart
hell is a state of mind and heart.....dealt likewise

they are not opposites

They are a duality, but emerge from the same source.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

a fair question.....I will attempt a reply

some people say He is omnipresent
I do not believe that
He would have a sense of location
How He would define His Presence is likely different that what we call....present

I do not hear His Voice in my head
My thoughts are my own
He is not in my head

The universe is very large.
if He has a sense of location.....He has a sense of movement

substance cannot be used to shield you
He is the Almighty
He can be anywhere He 'thinks'

Probably there are cosmic entities, gods or archangels if you like, who fit your description, but my understanding of the reality represented by the word 'God' is an infinite, eternal, omniscient, omnipotent indivisible one.

 

[Thief]

Probably there are cosmic entities, gods or archangels if you like, who fit your description, but my understanding of the reality represented by the word 'God' is an infinite, eternal, omniscient, omnipotent indivisible one.

you left out....omnipresent

on purpose?

 

[Thief]

They are a duality, but emerge from the same source.

nay...

having the same source doesn't make them opposite
nor does it form duality

rocks and trees share the same reality
they are not opposites

we share the same reality
we are not opposites
just different

 

[Ben Dhyan]

you left out....omnipresent

on purpose?

I used 'infinite' which implies omnipresence...it is one or the other.. it is bad English to use two terms that mean the same thing when describing something....one of the two is superfluous. Btw, there is a term to describe doing that but it eludes me for now...

 

[godnotgod]

nay...

having the same source doesn't make them opposite
nor does it form duality

rocks and trees share the same reality
they are not opposites

we share the same reality
we are not opposites
just different

Then you misunderstand what comprises duality. Duality is any pair of opposites. Heaven and Hell are known polar opposites. Rocks and trees are not opposites as they are not in the same categories of things and do not form a continuum. Hot and Cold; Day and Night; Good and Evil; Masculine and Feminine, etc; these are all examples of polar opposites which are along a continuum. Seeing them as polar opposites is duality; seeing them as complementary, ie; two aspects of the same reality, is non-duality. Having the same source does not make them opposite nor dualities; seeing them as polar opposites does. To conceptualize a distinct Heaven vs a distinct Hell while preferring one over the other, is to dwell in the realm of the dual mind, and thus, delusion.

 

[Thief]

Then you misunderstand what comprises duality. Duality is any pair of opposites. Heaven and Hell are known polar opposites. Rocks and trees are not opposites as they are not in the same categories of things and do not form a continuum. Hot and Cold; Day and Night; Good and Evil; Masculine and Feminine, etc; these are all examples of polar opposites which are along a continuum. Seeing them as polar opposites is duality; seeing them as complementary, ie; two aspects of the same reality, is non-duality. Having the same source does not make them opposite nor dualities; seeing them as polar opposites does. To conceptualize a distinct Heaven vs a distinct Hell while preferring one over the other, is to dwell in the realm of the dual mind.

men and women are not opposites.....just two portions of a life form
hot and cold are the condition of a substance....not opposites

heaven and hell are not opposites.
see the parable of the Rich man and Lazarus

you could stand right beside an angel of heaven and yet......a great divide between

 

[godnotgod]

men and women are not opposites.....just two portions of a life form
hot and cold are the condition of a substance....not opposites

heaven and hell are not opposites.
see the parable of the Rich man and Lazarus

you could stand right beside an angel of heaven and yet......a great divide between

I did not say that men and women are opposites; I said that masculinity and femininity are opposites.

The notion of 'heaven' is symbolic of extreme happiness and joy; that of 'hell', extreme unhappiness and misery. These are polar opposites, whether the concepts are understood as internal states of consciousness, or external physical places. The key here is to understand that heaven and hell are RELATIVE values, and therefore, cannot be separated one from the other. However, some religious views see them as separate states or places of existence, when the fact is that one cannot exist without the existence of the other. These represent relative joy and relative suffering, both temporal states, but beyond this duality lies Absolute Joy, which has no opposite. Some religious views have transformed relative joy and relative suffering into permanent absolutes, which is not possible, given that they are, by nature, relative values, inextricably tied one to the other.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Talking of relative opposites reminds me of a story from the Hemetic tradition...it goes something like this..
A religious student asks Hermes why it is that Gods are destined to live forever but mortals must die?
Hermes replied that there is Spirit and there is Matter, and there is Heaven and there is Earth. and there is Life and there is Death.
The student was confused and wondered what that was about and so asks again, why do you Gods live forever but we mortals must die?
Hermes repeated what he had already said, because there is Spirit and there is Matter, and there is Heaven and there is Earth. and there is Life and there is Death.
This exchange was repeated again until the student at last understood what Hermes was subtly pointing out...what did the student finally get?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Aw, poor baby! There, there, now. You're just in denial, that's all. You have almost zero intuitive insight, so you get mad and attack the messenger. Mwaaaaah! Whine!

Meh. You are like a pompous preacher who blames the congregation for not understanding his incomprehensible sermons.

You have clearly been conned by that charlatan Chopra, so it is YOU who lack "intuitive insight". All you do here is parrot his nonsensical new-age dogma, studiously ignoring the gaping holes and inconsistencies in this ego-centric DIY religion.

Who are you really trying to convince?

 

[godnotgod]

Meh. You are like a pompous preacher who blames the congregation for not understanding his incomprehensible sermons.

You have clearly been conned by that charlatan Chopra, so it is YOU who lack "intuitive insight". All you do here is parrot his nonsensical new-age dogma, studiously ignoring the gaping holes and inconsistencies in this ego-centric DIY religion.

Who are you really trying to convince?

Meh...heh...heh....

Pointing to the moon is not about convincing anyone of anything.

Man, you sure have a wild hair up there somewhere about Chopra, don'cha? You're obsessed, and turn anything...anything I say into something connected to your Precious, Deepak Chopra. You're in a hypnotic spell, dearie.

Now go to your room!

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Meh...heh...heh....
Pointing to the moon is not about convincing anyone of anything.

That's just as well because you don't seem to have convinced anyone here, you have just annoyed everyone with your relentless arrogant preaching of new-age twaddle.

Your Zen clichés are not fooling anyone, a real Zennie wouldn't touch your new-age metaphysical dogma with a bargepole. You are such a fraud, just like your hero, the charlatan Chopra.

 

[`mud]

The student ended up with a pile of poo !