A Universe from Nothing?

[Rick O'Shez]

Problem is, you don't understand the first part, and then demand a rational explanation for that which is beyond Reason, Logic, and Analysis. Not gonna happen.

At least have the honesty to admit there isn't a second part, and that what you are preaching is a new-age muddle inspired by the charlatan Chopra.

 

[godnotgod]

Infinity implies that there is nothing in existence anywhere eternally except that which fills the infinity, and is the infinity. If there were no infinity, the one existence would be finite...limited in a spacial bubble.

Brahman can not be confined by any space, can not be limited by any time, can not be described by and words, and can not be known by any knowledge....

So you meant 'nothing', rather than 'nothingness'?

 

[godnotgod]

...there isn't a second part...

There is a second part, but you need to understand the illusory nature of material 'reality' first, as pointed to by both Hinduism and Quantum Physics.

 

[godnotgod]

A real Zennie wouldn't...*snip* ......Boring.

You would'nt know what a real Zennie is like, as you missed the jewel in it's crown when you were in that discipline.

Once again: Did Zen not teach you that the experience of Reality is beyond the senses?

Boring? BORING? What's boring is sterile and clinical scientific reductionism which sees The Universe as a dead, materialistic 'thing'.

What I have been presenting is the notion that a Supreme Intelligence is playing itself as The Universe, and that you and I are that very Intelligence, pretending not to be That. What could possibly be more compelling?...Boring? Hardly!

 

[godnotgod]

You simply cannot admit the possibility that you are preaching nonsense and that it is just another form of delusion.

What is delusion is to see a material world as real and in movement. This is what the Hindus call 'maya'. When we awaken spiritually, we see things as they really are. There is no materiality, no movement, no Time; no Space; no Causation.

1st monk: 'The flag is moving'
2nd monk: 'No, the wind is moving'
3rd monk: 'Both wrong! Flag and wind are both moving!'
4th monk: 'All wrong! Your minds are moving!'

Zen source
*****

"Since it [The Absolute] is not in time, it cannot be changing. Change takes place only in time. And since it is not in space, it must be undivided, because dividedness and separation occur only in space. And since it is therefore one and undivided, it must also be infinite, since there is no "other" to limit it. Now "changeless," "infinite," and "undivided" are negative statements, but they will suffice. We can trace the physics of our Universe from these three negative statements. If we don't see the Absolute as what it is, we'll see it as something else. If we don't see it as changeless, infinite, and undivided, we'll see it as changing, finite, and divided, since in this case there is no other else. There is no other way to mistake the changeless except as changing. So we see a Universe which is changing all the time, made of minuscule particles, and divided into atoms."

http://quanta-gaia.org/dobson/EquationsOfMaya.html

 

[Ben Dhyan]

So you meant 'nothing', rather than 'nothingness'?

The state of nothing is nothingness....

 

[Rick O'Shez]

1st monk: 'The flag is moving'
2nd monk: 'No, the wind is moving'
3rd monk: 'Both wrong! Flag and wind are both moving!'
4th monk: 'All wrong! Your minds are moving!'

Zen source
*****

"Since it [The Absolute] is not in time, it cannot be changing. Change takes place only in time. And since it is not in space, it must be undivided, because dividedness and separation occur only in space. And since it is therefore one and undivided, it must also be infinite, since there is no "other" to limit it. Now "changeless," "infinite," and "undivided" are negative statements, but they will suffice. We can trace the physics of our Universe from these three negative statements. If we don't see the Absolute as what it is, we'll see it as something else. If we don't see it as changeless, infinite, and undivided, we'll see it as changing, finite, and divided, since in this case there is no other else. There is no other way to mistake the changeless except as changing. So we see a Universe which is changing all the time, made of minuscule particles, and divided into atoms."

http://quanta-gaia.org/dobson/EquationsOfMaya.html

It is very dishonest of you to pretend that Zen teachings support your new-age nonsense, the Zen approach is in fact diametrically opposed to the convoluted metaphysical dogma you preach here. Your misleading parodies of authentic traditions are painful to watch, and I hope that nobody here is taken in by them.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

There is a second part, but you need to understand the illusory nature of material 'reality' first, as pointed to by both Hinduism and Quantum Physics.

I simply don't believe you, it is all BS. I have repeatedly asked you to join the dots and provide a coherent explanation of your muddled DIY religion, but you have never been able to do so. And you STILL can't, all you can do is regurgitate the same clichéd new-age dogma.
I think everyone here is now thoroughly sick of your sermonising and your patronising arrogance.

Like your hero, the charlatan Chopra, you present a sort of pseudo-Hinduism and then muddle in some quantum mechanics in a vain attempt to make this new-age twaddle sound more credible. But like Chopra you are just an obnoxious arrogant fraud.

 

[godnotgod]

I simply don't believe you, it is all BS. I have repeatedly asked you to join the dots and provide a coherent explanation of your muddled DIY religion, but you have never been able to do so. And you STILL can't, all you can do is regurgitate the same clichéd new-age dogma.
I think everyone here is now thoroughly sick of your sermonising and your patronising arrogance.

Like your hero, the charlatan Chopra, you present a sort of pseudo-Hinduism and then muddle in some quantum mechanics in a vain attempt to make this new-age twaddle sound more credible. But like Chopra you are just an obnoxious arrogant fraud.

Why do you continue your baseless ad hominems instead of addressing the content?

Do Hinduism and Quantum Physics point to an illusory material reality? That's all. You don't need to get crazy about it.

 

[godnotgod]

It is very dishonest of you to pretend that Zen teachings support your new-age nonsense, the Zen approach is in fact diametrically opposed to the convoluted metaphysical dogma you preach here. Your misleading parodies of authentic traditions are painful to watch, and I hope that nobody here is taken in by them.

The Zen bit about the flag does support my view though. And so does the piece by astronomer John Dobson. You may not like it, so prove otherwise.

 

[godnotgod]

I simply don't believe you, it is all BS. I have repeatedly asked you to join the dots and provide a coherent explanation of your muddled DIY religion, but you have never been able to do so. And you STILL can't, all you can do is regurgitate the same clichéd new-age dogma.
I think everyone here is now thoroughly sick of your sermonising and your patronising arrogance.

Like your hero, the charlatan Chopra, you present a sort of pseudo-Hinduism and then muddle in some quantum mechanics in a vain attempt to make this new-age twaddle sound more credible. But like Chopra you are just an obnoxious arrogant fraud.

No, you are the one who needs to join the dots. The understanding is an intuitive one.

 

[`mud]

Ahhhhhh.......infinity.
That which is not contained,
and contains nothing !
Except the cursed duality !
Uni...meaning 'one' amongst the other 'verses',
One, in many.....could be seen there.
No Big Bang.....no true beginning.
~
Everything we can see, has no container.
So.....where ends infinity ?
Where's the beginning of nothingness ?
But we can't see that far yet !
I don't think everything comes from there !

 

[Thief]

what I see here in this thread...is denial

reality is real

that's why it's called reality

there is no dualism

 

[GodsVoice]

The universe we observe is part of the VISIBLE things we experience in the INVISIBLE mind where we will all exist for eternity. The MIND is God where his voice can be heard but the voice has been kept from most people during this temporary age until God and his voice was totally understood about two weeks ago.

Now I know exactly what the universe is and how it is observed in the MIND.

 

[`mud]

There is reality all around us,
but few appreciate it !
Duality ??? What is that, really ???
We live to die,
and we will never see infinity !
But, some wish for heaven,
in that further 'verse'.
We are the memories we create,
for others, not for ourselves.
Spirit to spirit, and dust after all !

 

[`mud]

How many eternities are contained inside infinity,
and how many heavens and 'Gods' ?

 

[Thief]

How many eternities are contained inside infinity,
and how many heavens and 'Gods' ?

indeed.....there are many mansions in my Father's House

 

[GodsVoice]

There is reality all around us,
but few appreciate it !
Duality ??? What is that, really ???
We live to die,
and we will never see infinity !
But, some wish for heaven,
in that further 'verse'.
We are the memories we create,
for others, not for ourselves.
Spirit to spirit, and dust after all !

The MIND of man goes on forever but the visible objects man observes comes and goes forever.

 

[GodsVoice]

indeed.....there are many mansions in my Father's House

They are called visions and dreams that created man will experience forever and ever.

 

[Thief]

They are called visions and dreams that created man will experience forever and ever.

i would agree.

we came into this world naked.....we leave, even more so

the manner of thought and feeling will set you among others like yourself
How else to be happy?
How else to be fair?

and what little we take into the next life will be our desires.....our dreams

and we get to share them....with others like ourselves