A Universe from Nothing?

[Rick O'Shez]

A cop!

No, just somebody who is good at recognising BS, and you are absolutely full of it.

You shamelessly misrepresent scientific ideas and then muddle them in with ideas from Eastern religions. You are an obnoxious egocentric fake, just like your hero, the charlatan Chopra.

 

[`mud]

Everyone here is more concerned with their beliefs than the purpose of the thread !
and that's a long sentence for me !
But, the topic and it's questions:
and I don't give a crap about any of your beliefs,
and their egos, or cults.
And nirvana doesn't exist !
~
One of the subjects discussed here was our universe,
and from where it came.....The Nothingness....
If we come from a nothingness, why did only one come ?
There's a lot of nothing in there, why not more 'universes',
Like the set called the Cosmos, we can't see the others !
Is their really 'one' Cosmos', or one 'universe' with the others ?
~
That's where fearful humans come in, their beliefs in spiritual beings.
If they're right, then where was 'God' in this nothingness of nothing ?
They're 'God' couldn't have been inside the nothingness, 'cause it's nothing.
But outside the nothingness, there was more nothingness !
It's hard to find the 'source', except for the fear of nothingness !
~
No, there's not any 'God's' out there, and not any 'nothingness' !
We have a single universe do we ?
What's the container, infinity doesn't exist,
we can't see the next 'universe' yet,
but we will !
How can nothingness be the container ?
~
Some questions and cacamoeney answers,
but remaining confused as usual

 

[godnotgod]

Drop a brick on your foot then. It might wake you up from your delusional ego-trip.

You're still trying to define Reality via sensory perception. Hasn't at least your exposure to Zen taught you that the experience of Reality is beyond the senses? It is the view of Reality through the senses that is the cause of delusion. You know, as in 'self-view'. And what is the opposite of 'self-view'? C:\.......

 

[godnotgod]

As I thought, there isn't a second part.

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Problem is, you don't understand the first part, and then demand a rational explanation for that which is beyond Reason, Logic, and Analysis. Not gonna happen.

 

[godnotgod]

So now you're admitting that sunyata contradicts your new age beliefs like "Cosmic Consciousness"?

heh...heh....man, you really, really want me to say that, don't you?

Not gonna happen, dearie.

I will answer your question with another question: with what kind of conscious awareness did the Buddha determine that all phenomena was empty of self-nature?

 

[godnotgod]

No, just somebody who is good at recognising BS

You don't recognize BS as BS since you were born into a vast ocean of BS.

 

[godnotgod]

Utter nonsense...

Space-Time did not exist 'before' the Big Bang, nor does it exist now. It is merely a conceptual model that helps to explain why we see things as we do, but we see things as we do because of conditioning. In other words.....

"The Universe is The Absolute, as seen through the glass of Time, Space, and Causation"
Vivekenanda

Get it? No? Then return to your mat and pay close attention to your breath.

 

[godnotgod]

The same new-age dogma. Nothing to back it up. Your lame ad homs won't distract from the fact that your new-age BS has now been fully exposed and discredited.

In your dreams...Wake UP!

 

[godnotgod]

but maybe you haven't taken my advice about banging your head on the wall....
til it bleeds

reality is real
the creation of God is real
God is real

So banging head against wall and dropping brick on foot are the ways you know that 'reality is real'?

When you are asleep, dreaming that you are banging your head against a dream wall, and you feel dream pain, and scream dream screams, is that reality too?

 

[godnotgod]

Everyone here is more concerned with their beliefs than the purpose of the thread !
and that's a long sentence for me !
But, the topic and it's questions:
and I don't give a crap about any of your beliefs,
and their egos, or cults.
And nirvana doesn't exist !
~
One of the subjects discussed here was our universe,
and from where it came.....The Nothingness....
If we come from a nothingness, why did only one come ?
There's a lot of nothing in there, why not more 'universes',
Like the set called the Cosmos, we can't see the others !
Is their really 'one' Cosmos', or one 'universe' with the others ?
~
That's where fearful humans come in, their beliefs in spiritual beings.
If they're right, then where was 'God' in this nothingness of nothing ?
They're 'God' couldn't have been inside the nothingness, 'cause it's nothing.
But outside the nothingness, there was more nothingness !
It's hard to find the 'source', except for the fear of nothingness !
~
No, there's not any 'God's' out there, and not any 'nothingness' !
We have a single universe do we ?
What's the container, infinity doesn't exist,
we can't see the next 'universe' yet,
but we will !
How can nothingness be the container ?
~
Some questions and cacamoeney answers,
but remaining confused as usual

A container implies inside and outside, which makes the container finite, and the finite cannot contain the Infinite. Get it?

'Universe' is described as 'everything that exists' including intergalactic space. Therefore, The Universe is not just an absolute, since there is no 'other' universe to which it can be compared, but it is The Absolute. The Absolute is Pure Abstract Intelligence, which is Absolute No-thing-ness, out of which Every-thing comes. However, 'Every-thing' (ie: material reality) is an illusion, as literally ALL of the mass of the atom is virtual mass, created via fluctuations in the Quantum and Higgs Fields, according to Quantum Physics. That means that the only true Reality is The Absolute, manifesting itself as 'The Universe'.

When you are asleep, dreaming, you do not know that you are dreaming, and you do not know that there exists an awakened state beyond the dream state. Likewise, you do not know of a state of Nirvana beyond your current state of conditioned awareness.

 

[godnotgod]

....The Nothingness....
If we come from a nothingness, why did only one come ?
There's a lot of nothing in there, why not more 'universes',

Because Nothingness is manifesting itself as The Universe. Reality is singular. The Nothingness IS The Universe, just as the character being portrayed is none other thatn the actor behind the mask.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Everyone here is more concerned with their beliefs than the purpose of the thread !
and that's a long sentence for me !
But, the topic and it's questions:
and I don't give a crap about any of your beliefs,
and their egos, or cults.
And nirvana doesn't exist !
~
One of the subjects discussed here was our universe,
and from where it came.....The Nothingness....
If we come from a nothingness, why did only one come ?
There's a lot of nothing in there, why not more 'universes',
Like the set called the Cosmos, we can't see the others !
Is their really 'one' Cosmos', or one 'universe' with the others ?
~
That's where fearful humans come in, their beliefs in spiritual beings.
If they're right, then where was 'God' in this nothingness of nothing ?
They're 'God' couldn't have been inside the nothingness, 'cause it's nothing.
But outside the nothingness, there was more nothingness !
It's hard to find the 'source', except for the fear of nothingness !
~
No, there's not any 'God's' out there, and not any 'nothingness' !
We have a single universe do we ?
What's the container, infinity doesn't exist,
we can't see the next 'universe' yet,
but we will !
How can nothingness be the container ?
~
Some questions and cacamoeney answers,
but remaining confused as usual

What do you mean, infinity does not exist?
If it did not...then that implies nothingness exists and nothingness does not and can not exist!

 

[Thief]

So banging head against wall and dropping brick on foot are the ways you know that 'reality is real'?

When you are asleep, dreaming that you are banging your head against a dream wall, and you feel dream pain, and scream dream screams, is that reality too?

you ask as if you don't know the difference

but you do

which means your question reveals your dishonesty

 

[Thief]

Because Nothingness is manifesting itself as The Universe. Reality is singular. The Nothingness IS The Universe, just as the character being portrayed is none other thatn the actor behind the mask.

so the stars above are the mask of God.....

But of course.....God is real
and the universe is real

 

[godnotgod]

you ask as if you don't know the difference

but you do

which means your question reveals your dishonesty

But in the dream world, you do not know you are dreaming, do you? And neither would I. How does one know that one is dreaming the reality he only thinks to be 'real'?

Masks of God? You're wearing one of them at this very moment.

 

[godnotgod]

and the universe is real

Quantum Physics and Hinduism say otherwise.

 

[godnotgod]

What do you mean, infinity does not exist?
If it did not...then that implies nothingness exists and nothingness does not and can not exist!

It's not that nothingness exists or not-exists, since it is an absolute, and beyond duality.

Not sure I get what you mean that if infinity does not exist, then nothingness exists.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

It's not that nothingness exists or not-exists, since it is an absolute, and beyond duality.

Not sure I get what you mean that if infinity does not exist, then nothingness exists.

Infinity implies that there is nothing in existence anywhere eternally except that which fills the infinity, and is the infinity. If there were no infinity, the one existence would be finite...limited in a spacial bubble.

Brahman can not be confined by any space, can not be limited by any time, can not be described by and words, and can not be known by any knowledge....

 

[Rick O'Shez]

You're still trying to define Reality via sensory perception. Hasn't at least your exposure to Zen taught you that the experience of Reality is beyond the senses? It is the view of Reality through the senses that is the cause of delusion. You know, as in 'self-view'. And what is the opposite of 'self-view'? C:\.......

A real Zennie wouldn't touch your convoluted metaphysical new-age dogma with a bargepole. A real Zennie wouldn't preach such nonsense, and a real Zennie wouldn't display your gross level of arrogance and self-importance.

You are just a preachy new-ager on an attention-seeking ego-trip, all you can do is regurgitate the same discredited dogma. Boring.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Space-Time did not exist 'before' the Big Bang, nor does it exist now. It is merely a conceptual model that helps to explain why we see things as we do, but we see things as we do because of conditioning. In other words.....

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It seems you have been preaching this new-age nonsense for so long that you now actually believe it. It is just a horrible muddle of pseudo-Hinduism and pseudo-science, which has been repeatedly exposed and discredited.
Clearly you don't care because you are on an ego-trip and you are now surgically attached to your dogma, your Precious. You simply cannot admit the possibility that you are preaching nonsense and that it is just another form of delusion.