A Universe from Nothing?

[Polymath257]

Alpha and Beta waves are em waves silly...

No, they are not. Beta waves are electron waves. They are NOT E&M waves, which are very different things.

 

[Polymath257]

You, as a mathematician are probably so used to dealing in the quantitative and qualitative aspects of a phenomenon, you forget there is an underlying unity from which the aspects are indivisibly a part, and the whole is greater than the sum of the apparent 'parts'.

And you are being pedantic, light is composed of waves of em energy, are you saying waves of light em energy means something different from light em energy waves?

No, light is composed of photons.

 

[Polymath257]

The point I was trying to make is that zero point energy is electromagnetic in nature, iow, it is constituted of electromagnetic energy, do you agree?

No, the zero point energy is actually mass-energy of the virtual particles.

Electrons are only known in model form , not in reality, and they are said to possess a negative electric charge. Possess means it is a given that the electron can not exist with the charge, and the charge can not exist without the electron, they are merely different aspects of one thing, along with other aspects like magnetic moment, spin, etc..

So do you think there is any separation between the moving em fields and the moving em energy, or has it ever occurred to you that they may be different conceptual aspects of one phenomenon?

Energy is also carried by other types of waves than just E&M waves. So they are distinct phenomena.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

No, they are not. Alpha rays are helium nuclei. You are thinking of gamma rays, which are electromagnetic.

Ok, I get it.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

No, they are not. Alpha rays are helium nuclei. You are thinking of gamma rays, which are electromagnetic.

Ok, I get it.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

No, they are not. Beta waves are electron waves. They are NOT E&M waves, which are very different things.

Ok, I get it.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

No, light is composed of photons.

So how do you explain the visible light spectrum here being shown as part of the electromagnetic spectrum.

The electromagnetic spectrum. Image from UC Davis ChemWiki, CC-BY-NC-SA 3.0

 

[Thief]

How is a sphere of energy hollow? Surly the filling is energy, make up your mind

What was before the bb event? Nothing, quantum soup, superstrings, membranes. Do you know because, if you do i suggest you report it to both the church and the scientific community, you would be rich and famous with bishops and popes along with the world's leading cosmologists, quantum scientists and particle physicist as best friends on your speed dial list.

Was it spinning or are you guessing? Oh yes you are guessing like the rest of your bogus claims.

as equations fail.....a definition you might accept won't happen

and whatever it was ...it was spinning

 

[Ben Dhyan]

No, the zero point energy is actually mass-energy of the virtual particles.

Energy is also carried by other types of waves than just E&M waves. So they are distinct phenomena.

I understand that the particle theorists see it different to the quantum theorists, but you do realize that patents been granted for the extraction of electrical energy from the electromagnetic quantum vacuum from any point in the universe ?

You keep repeating the same mantra, energy is carried by waves, as thought the wave aspect is not one with the energy aspect. Spit it out, do you believe that the em wave aspect of em radiation exists as a distinct separate aspect from the energy aspect?

 

[Polymath257]

So how do you explain the visible light spectrum here being shown as part of the electromagnetic spectrum.

The electromagnetic spectrum. Image from UC Davis ChemWiki, CC-BY-NC-SA 3.0

What is to explain? Light is made of photons. Photons are the particles for the E&M waves.

 

[Polymath257]

I understand that the particle theorists see it different to the quantum theorists,

Why would you think that?

but you do realize that patents been granted for the extraction of electrical energy from the electromagnetic quantum vacuum from any point in the universe ?

Yes. Let's see if it ever works. I'll bet not.

You keep repeating the same mantra, energy is carried by waves, as thought the wave aspect is not one with the energy aspect. Spiit it out, do you believe that the em wave aspect of em radiation exists as a distinct separate aspect from the energy aspect?

Yes. There is energy in a static E&M field also.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

What is to explain? Light is made of photons. Photons are the particles for the E&M waves.

So explain whether the light is being carried as photon particles or as a em waves?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Why would you think that?


Yes. Let's see if it ever works. I'll bet not.

Yes. There is energy in a static E&M field also.

Because I've seen the different explanations of the why of the Casimir Effect, what do you think is the principle?

So on what scientific understanding is the reasoning of your preferred bet?

Your response is not clear to me, do you consider the em energy a phenomenon in its own right, and the em field a separate phenomenon altogether?

 

[gnostic]

So how do you explain the visible light spectrum here being shown as part of the electromagnetic spectrum.

The electromagnetic spectrum. Image from UC Davis ChemWiki, CC-BY-NC-SA 3.0

What is to explain? Light is made of photons. Photons are the particles for the E&M waves.

So explain whether the light is being carried as photon particles or as a em waves?

First of all, visible light is EM wave.

Second, has already explained to you that all EM waves (or radiation), including visible light, carry energy.

Photons are always moving. So they have kinetic energy. They also have momentum and polarization. Cars do not have polarization.

Lastly, visible light, like all other EM waves (or radiation) have specific range of wavelengths and frequencies.

The question is, why would you think visible light wouldn't be part of the EM spectrum?

 

[Polymath257]

So explain whether the light is being carried as photon particles or as a em waves?

They are equivalent descriptions. ALL quantum particles have an associated wave. All waves have an associated quantum particle description.

 

[Polymath257]

Because I've seen the different explanations of the why of the Casimir Effect, what do you think is the principle?

So on what scientific understanding is the reasoning of your preferred bet?

Your response is not clear to me, do you consider the em energy a phenomenon in its own right, and the em field a separate phenomenon altogether?

Once again, and for the umpteenth time. Electric and magnetic fields have energy. Just like motion has energy. Just like position has energy. But the fields are NOT just energy. Nor is motion just energy.

You cannot separate the energy from the field. But the energy is not the the field.

 

[Polymath257]

Because I've seen the different explanations of the why of the Casimir Effect, what do you think is the principle?

The Casimir effect is real.

So on what scientific understanding is the reasoning of your preferred bet?

Conservation of momentum.

Your response is not clear to me, do you consider the em energy a phenomenon in its own right, and the em field a separate phenomenon altogether?

Is the energy of motion a phenomenon in its own right and the motion and energy separate altogether?

 

[ChristineM]

as equations fail.....a definition you might accept won't happen

and whatever it was ...it was spinning

Provide your evidence to make such a bold claim

And still you have provided nothing to explain how a full sphere is hollow.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

First of all, visible light is EM wave.

Second, has already explained to you that all EM waves (or radiation), including visible light, carry energy.



Lastly, visible light, like all other EM waves (or radiation) have specific range of wavelengths and frequencies.

The question is, why would you think visible light wouldn't be part of the EM spectrum?

Try and follow the thread, the point of my post was to show Polymaths that light was an em wave energy, after Polymath said no it wasn't, it was composed of photons. See his post #3405..

 

[Ben Dhyan]

What is to explain? Light is made of photons. Photons are the particles for the E&M waves.

You are purposely being pedantic, do you want to get into the wave particle debate, when I say it is em wave energy, you categorically said no, it was not, light is a particle. Do you deny light exists as em energy waves?