A Universe from Nothing?

[Polymath257]

So you think if something is static, not moving, it is not subject to time?

All matter is non-static.

 

[Thief]

and all energy is non static.....

but time is not energy....or matter

 

[Polymath257]

and all energy is non static.....

but time is not energy....or matter

Again, I agree. But to be non-static requires time.

 

[Thief]

Again, I agree. But to be non-static requires time.

a lack of motion is never a measure of time

time is a measure of motion

if ever you find an item of COMPLETE lack of motion.....

stare at it....long as you can

then report it
and see if anyone believes you

hehehehehe

 

[Thief]

Time in physics is defined by its measurement: time is what a clock reads.[1] In classical, non-relativistic physics it is a scalar quantity and, like length, mass, and charge, is usually described as a fundamental quantity. Time can be combined mathematically with other physical quantities to derive other concepts such as motion, kinetic energy and time-dependent fields.
-Wiki

and let's not be cute and contrive quantity to have a lean to substance
in math.....and you should know
a quantity is a numerical value

it's all in your head

 

[ChristineM]

Now that I can agree with. Time is a way of measuring any and all aspects of the universe's continuing existence.

Which is essentially what i said from day 1

So

What's the length of as piece of string in hours, minutes and second's ;-)

 

[ChristineM]

and time is ONLY a measure

as you have noticed

So not created by man, good that you are man enough to admit it.


No not just a measure but an effect.

 

[Thief]

So not created by man, good that you are man enough to admit it.


No not just a measure but an effect.

I have posted ...for all the 'time' I've been here

time is a cognitive device created by Man to serve Man

I grew up with that perspective

 

[ChristineM]

I have posted ...for all the 'time' I've been here

time is a cognitive device created by Man to serve Man

I grew up with that perspective

Not my problem how you grew up, time has existed at least since the beginning of this universe.

Or perhaps you can explain how the universe passed from bb to humans existing without time.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

All matter is non-static.

Yes, but you stated without time, there could be no motion: everything would be static, so therefore, according to your belief, time causes the motion, or as I understand it, time is merely a conceptual idea to measure the motion of the universe. How can time, without mass or energy. cause all universal movement?

 

[metis]

Who says there was no mass or energy? And if any mass, energy, subatomic particles, waves, etc. moved, that's "time".

I don't know what led to the evolution of our universe, but "infinity" does have to be in the running according to what appears to be a majority of cosmologists. Logically, at least as far as we seemingly know, something(s) always had to be here, whether the be energy/particle forms, a god, gods, or whatever?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Which is essentially what i said from day 1

So

What's the length of as piece of string in hours, minutes and second's ;-)

I am pleased we finally have found out we agree.

The length of a piece of string in hours, minutes, and seconds is directly related to its physical robustness wrt the rate of degradation and decay, so the length of time would vary according to the particular environment it is in.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Who says there was no mass or energy? And if any mass, energy, subatomic particles, waves, etc. moved, that's "time".

I don't know what led to the evolution of our universe, but "infinity" does have to be in the running according to what appears to be a majority of cosmologists. Logically, at least as far as we seemingly know, something(s) always had to be here, whether the be energy/particle forms, a god, gods, or whatever?

Are you claiming time has mass and energy, if so, explain how this is measured?

 

[ChristineM]

I am pleased we finally have found out we agree.

The length of a piece of string in hours, minutes, and seconds is directly related to its physical robustness wrt the rate of degradation and decay, so the length of time would vary according to the particular environment it is in.

I knew you'd come round eventually.

You are not describing the length of a piece of string but its entropy.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I knew you'd come round eventually.

You are not describing the length of a piece of string but its entropy.

Come around....huh...I've been saying the same thing from the get go, time is a human concept to measure the enduring nature of existence.

You said the measurement of the length of the string was to be in time, you expressly denoted hours, minutes, and seconds, Yes, the measurement of entropy.

 

[Thief]

Not my problem how you grew up, time has existed at least since the beginning of this universe.

Or perhaps you can explain how the universe passed from bb to humans existing without time.

try Wiki

and then grow up

 

[Thief]

Who says there was no mass or energy? And if any mass, energy, subatomic particles, waves, etc. moved, that's "time".

I don't know what led to the evolution of our universe, but "infinity" does have to be in the running according to what appears to be a majority of cosmologists. Logically, at least as far as we seemingly know, something(s) always had to be here, whether the be energy/particle forms, a god, gods, or whatever?

Spirit first

 

[Polymath257]

Yes, but you stated without time, there could be no motion: everything would be static, so therefore, according to your belief, time causes the motion, or as I understand it, time is merely a conceptual idea to measure the motion of the universe. How can time, without mass or energy. cause all universal movement?

It isn't a causal relationship. Causal relationships require time also. This is a *necessary* relationship. For movement to exist, time also has to exist. As does space. For causality to exist, time also has to exist.

 

[Polymath257]

Are you claiming time has mass and energy, if so, explain how this is measured?

By clocks.

 

[metis]

Spirit first

Evidence?