A Universe from Nothing?

[YmirGF]

Why not? Mindfulness doesn't require anything supernatural or paranormal.

It's merely being attentive or aware....

 

[Rick O'Shez]

... If nothing else, gNg is impervious to any opinions outside of his minor group.

Yeah, I guess we have to accept that gNg is just here to preach his strange new-age gospel. Poor misunderstood prophet!

 

[Rick O'Shez]

It's merely being attentive or aware....

Yep, just paying attention to experience. The great thing about it is that you don't need to believe in things like "Cosmic Consciousness" to do it, actually it works much better if you don't.

 

[YmirGF]

Yeah, I guess we have to accept that gNg is just here to preach his strange new-age gospel. Poor misunderstood prophet!

My undying question is why are they generally such lousy communicators?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

My undying question is why are they generally such lousy communicators?

Delusions of grandeur?

 

[YmirGF]

Delusions of grandeur?

And perhaps more than a little bit of arrogance. The thing is if you had this wild, revolutionary view of reality, why would you work at ticking people off and belittling their experience for questioning your grasp of reality? Wouldn't it be more intelligent to build a bridge between the different understandings based on mutual respect? (Much like how @Shadow Wolf is doing.) I'd like to think that an enlightened being would do just that.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

And perhaps more than a little bit of arrogance. The thing is if you had this wild, revolutionary view of reality, why would you work at ticking people off and belittling their experience for questioning your grasp of reality? Wouldn't it be more intelligent to build a bridge between the different understandings based on mutual respect? I'd like to think that an enlightened being would do just that.

Indeed. Which only leaves one conclusion.

 

[godnotgod]

Not in the least bit convincing, you are just mouthing words, regurgitating the same old pseudo-spiritual new-age cliches. It really is like something you read on the side of a cornflakes packet. There is nothing behind it.

Awakening is not pseudo-spiritual new-age. If you are not making efforts to awaken, then everything you see is via the filters of your conditioned mentality, which is the reason you come up with your silly little clock experiment.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Awakening is not pseudo-spiritual new-age.

It is when you talk about it.

So have you done my clock experiment yet? Did time grind to a halt while you were meditating? Did all the clocks stop? Did the earth stop orbiting the sun? Did the universe just freeze and put itself on hold waiting for you to finish the meditation? Do tell.

 

[godnotgod]

And perhaps more than a little bit of arrogance. The thing is if you had this wild, revolutionary view of reality, why would you work at ticking people off and belittling their experience for questioning your grasp of reality? Wouldn't it be more intelligent to build a bridge between the different understandings based on mutual respect? (Much like how @Shadow Wolf is doing.) I'd like to think that an enlightened being would do just that.

Except that Spiney has no such understanding.

If you have been paying attention, you would have noticed that I am the one 'bridging gaps', while Spiney pits one teaching against the other, not having the depth of understanding to see what their connections are beneath the surface of his shallow view. That he gets ticked off is a result of this shallowness and his attachment to 'self'. You call it belittling, while I see it as the exposition of flaws in his argument, put forth by someone with so-called 'credentials'.

 

[godnotgod]

It is when you talk about it.

So have you done my clock experiment yet? Did time grind to a halt while you were meditating? Did all the clocks stop? Did the earth stop orbiting the sun? Did the universe just freeze and put itself on hold waiting for you to finish the meditation? Do tell.

Proof of more shallowness and the fact that you, like Runewolf, have been completely taken in by appearances.

 

[godnotgod]

...an enlightened being would do just that.

An intelligent Being would demolish crap. That is precisely what the Buddha did.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

If you have been paying attention, you would have noticed that I am the one 'bridging gaps',

Your not bridging gaps at all, you're making stuff up, misrepresenting and making false connections. Misrepresenting Buddhism, Hinduism and science to name a few. And whenever your strange ideas are challenged you insult and patronise. You are just here to preach and pontificate, you cannot stand anyone questioning your ideas. Fragile ego AND delusions of grandeur, oh dear.

Putting yourself over as the poor misunderstood prophet is really not going to work, it's a ridiculous charade. Just one of many you employ.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

An intelligent Being would demolish crap. That is precisely what the Buddha did.

Perhaps that is why people challenge your silly ideas. The truth hurts, but somebody has to tell you.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Proof of more shallowness and the fact that you, like Runewolf, have been completely taken in by appearances.

Sure, anyone who disagrees with your new-age nonsense just doesn't get it. Of course. You poor misunderstood prophet, all these people just not understanding how brilliant you really are.

I'm still waiting for you to feed back your experience with the clock experiment. What happened? Do tell.

 

[godnotgod]

Not in the least bit convincing, you are just mouthing words, regurgitating the same old pseudo-spiritual new-age cliches. It really is like something you read on the side of a cornflakes packet. There is nothing behind it.

Not convincing because you have not yet awakened. Story end.

 

[godnotgod]

Perhaps that is why people challenge your silly ideas. The truth hurts, but somebody has to tell you.

Keep on coming. I'm still here, pointing to both Moon and crap, while munching on corn flakes.

LOOK! THE CRAP!

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Not convincing because you have not yet awakened. Story end.

Aw, poor misunderstood prophet, nobody understands your message. Nobody is awakened except you, does it get lonely down in your rabbit hole?

 

[godnotgod]

Sure, anyone who disagrees with your new-age nonsense just doesn't get it. Of course. You poor misunderstood prophet, all these people just not understanding how brilliant you really are.

I'm still waiting for you to feed back your experience with the clock experiment. What happened? Do tell.

Still you perisist in your delusion!

The idea of maya is not new age nonsense; it is over 4000 years old.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Still you perisist in your delusion!
The idea of maya is not new age nonsense; it is over 4000 years old.

Oh, here we go again with the pseudo-Hindu stuff again, as if a religious belief like that is even relevant here. Anything to distract from the clock experiment! Wiki didn't help you at all on the time question I'm afraid.

So tell me about that clock experiment, how did it go?