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A Universe from Nothing?

godnotgod

Thou art That
Lovely!

Hope you enjoy your tea-party, Alice. :p

th

it's a bash! The One in the Many, and the Many in The One.
 

godnotgod

Thou art That
Pathetic and juvenile. Nice combo.


That would be a variation of anthropomorphic projection. We are not The Universe. We are tiny individualized autonomous parts of the universe.


Underneath all of the apparent differences, we are the same thing: consciousness.

 

godnotgod

Thou art That
Or just a bunch of intelligent apes trying to find a meaning.

By the way, do monkeys have "cosmic consciousness" too?

th

Look at it this way: Consciousness is manifesting itself as The Universe, which includes you, I, monkeys, and the entire ball of wax. It's playing a cosmic game of Hide and Seek, pretending to be all those things, when it is none other than the Supreme Identity; The indestructible Sunyata.
 

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
Look at it this way: Consciousness is manifesting itself as The Universe, which includes you, I, monkeys, and the entire ball of wax. It's playing a cosmic game of Hide and Seek, pretending to be all those things, when it is none other than the Supreme Identity; The indestructible Sunyata.

Oh Lordy, Alice, I can't believe you're STILL trying to pretend that sunyata is compatible with your pseudo-Hindu new-age muddle.

And you've introduced yet another bit of meaningless jargon, "Supreme Identity". When it will it ever end?! :p

th
 
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atanu

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Oh Lordy, Alice, I can't believe you're STILL trying to pretend that sunyata is compatible with your pseudo-Hindu new-age muddle.

And you've introduced yet another bit of meaningless jargon, "Supreme Identity". When it will it ever end?! :p

So then. Do we really have this universe from nothing?
 

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
Do we really have this universe from nothing?

I have no idea, and neither does anyone else at the moment. What I don't get is the need to fill the unknown with unsubstantiated religious beliefs and speculations. Why not just admit we haven't got a clue, that is the honest response.
My guess is that when the answers eventually arrive they will be very strange, and nothing to do with the religious beliefs that people currently hold.
 
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atanu

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I have no idea, and neither does anyone else at the moment.

Now. How can you say anything about any other?

When you are in dark, how can you assert that all are in dark? Why do you impose your darkness on others. Is it not dubious?
 

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
When you are in dark, how can you assert that all are in dark? Why do you impose your darkness on others.

Believe what you like, but don't confuse belief with knowledge. We have no idea how/why our universe came into being.

Darkness is seeking refuge in superstition. Darkness is clutching at metaphysical straws, preferring comforting fantasies to cold truths.
 
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godnotgod

Thou art That
I have no idea, and neither does anyone else at the moment. What I don't get is the need to fill the unknown with unsubstantiated religious beliefs and speculations. Why not just admit we haven't got a clue, that is the honest response.
My guess is that when the answers eventually arrive they will be very strange, and nothing to do with the religious beliefs that people currently hold.

Everything from Nothing is not a religious belief.
 

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
Everything from Nothing is not a religious belief.

What is it then, a new-age belief? It's just a belief in either case.

And where are those definitions we've been waiting on, come on, they should only take you a couple of minutes! Come on, Alice, take a break from your tea-party, the Mad Hatter won't mind!

Brief plain-English descriptions please for:
"cosmic consciousness"
"universal consciousness"
"ever-present Self"
"Supreme Identity"
 
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atanu

Member
Premium Member
Believe what you like, but don't confuse belief with knowledge. We have no idea how/why our universe came into being.

My question remains. When you are in dark, how do you assert that all are in dark?

An ignorant person cannot claim that all others are also ignorant.
 

godnotgod

Thou art That
Of course, we Hindus do not believe that real can come forth from unreal and that real ever becomes unreal. A barren mother's son is unreal at all times.

Nothing is real. How else could Everything exist were it not for Nothing? Only unreal (maya) can come forth from the real. Buddhism says that all things are empty of self-nature:

form is emptiness;
emptiness is form

I am saying that Brahman is Pure Consciousness which is No-thing-ness.
 
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