A Universe from Nothing?

[Ben Dhyan]

Maybe ... maybe not. We have no way of knowing what is going on on distant planets at the moment. But, there could certainly be more evolved beings than us out there. Our ability to search for them is vastly limited.

We do not have to know the specifics....but life and evolution is ubiquitous throughout the universe and has always been so....but I will not waste time on anyone who refuses to accept the fact until proof is provided...

 

[leibowde84]

We do not have to know the specifics....but life and evolution is ubiquitous throughout the universe and has always been so....but I will not waste time on anyone who refuses to accept the fact until proof is provided...

You won't waste your time on anyone who withholds belief in something until evidence is found that supports that something being the case? Seems counter-intuitive to me, but whatever floats your boat I guess.

 

[Nurion]

But what caused the quantum fluctuations to come in existence from non-existence (no space time)?

Well I'm no quantum physicist, so I couldn't possibly explain it, even if I wanted to.
I'll rewatch the video once I find the time and come back to you. Unless someone else can answer that for me.

 

[leibowde84]

We do not have to know the specifics....but life and evolution is ubiquitous throughout the universe and has always been so....but I will not waste time on anyone who refuses to accept the fact until proof is provided...

You are literally recommending blind faith or faith depending on assumptions rather than evidence. How do you defend this belief?

 

[LuisDantas]

Pretty good question.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I don't see how "something from nothing" is even sensible.

But you find an anthropomorphic god as imagined by people millennia past producing "something from nothing" very sensible, despite the fact that this is arguably at odds with what is written in Genesis.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

You won't waste your time on anyone who withholds belief in something until evidence is found that supports that something being the case? Seems counter-intuitive to me, but whatever floats your boat I guess.

That's correct....I like to stay on the leading edge of the bell curve of understanding.....not the LCD majority who wait to be told when and what to believe...

 

[Parsimony]

But you find an anthropomorphic god as imagined by people millennia past producing "something from nothing" very sensible, despite the fact that this is arguably at odds with what is written in Genesis.

Where did I ever say that? Please quote any post where I said that I believe God created the Universe from nothingness.

 

[LuisDantas]

That's correct....I like to stay on the leading edge of the bell curve of understanding.....not the LCD majority who wait to be told when and what to believe...

I don't think assuming that there is "someone" that "must be" a creator is much of a leading edge, but you will take your bets as you will.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

You are literally recommending blind faith or faith depending on assumptions rather than evidence. How do you defend this belief?

No...no assumptions....I know that planet Earth is not the only planet that has ever existed that has life..... Since the same elements that this solar system is comprised of, are the same elements that make up all star systems, you will need to explain to me what is so unique about Earth that only it was ever capable of giving rise to life since time began?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I don't think assuming that there is "someone" that "must be" a creator is much of a leading edge, but you will take your bets as you will.

So where did I say someone must be a creator? Please provide the quote and context?

 

[Guy Threepwood]

But nevertheless, evolution would have brought to fruition much more advanced universal beings long ago in other planetary systems, stars, and galaxies, than general humanity on this planet...

I'd think the universe would have to be a lot bigger to make other sentient beings probable, and observation; the 'great silence' certainly concurs, what do you base this assertion on?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I'd think the universe would have to be a lot bigger to make other sentient beings probable, and observation; the 'great silence' certainly concurs, what do you base this assertion on?

The fact that since the same elements that this solar system is comprised of, are the same elements that make up all star systems, you will need to explain to me what is so unique about Earth that only it was ever capable of giving rise to life since time began?

 

[Guy Threepwood]

The fact that since the same elements that this solar system is comprised of, are the same elements that make up all star systems, you will need to explain to me what is so unique about Earth that only it was ever capable of giving rise to life since time began?

Well, It's stable main sequence solitary star sets it aside from the vast majority of star systems right off the bat, most are multiple chaotic systems, and/or too hot/short live cold/small

Habitable zone obviously

Rotating suspended iron core creating a magnetic field to protect from solar radiation

perfect proportions of land, water, atmos, tectonic system and a vast array of parameters necessary for life as we know it

One single vast stabilizing satellite... creating a perfect balance of climactic stability yet diversity and crucial change, tides etc- this alone may be one of the greatest idiosyncrasies that made complex life possible on Earth.

The whole system remaining stable for billions of years, yet with near perfectly aimed/weighted extinction events- particularly the one which made mammal dominance possible.

Just to name a few. The list grows ever longer the more we learn, but the number of stars does not. Crunch the numbers, and it's not looking too promising for ET.

 

[Thief]

I'm not sure if I can post a poll on here but who here believes that the universe originated from nothing? As some of the major scientific theories from the 20th century claimed or was there an originator of some sort? Doesn't have to be God necessarily in your opinion. Who believes the universe has no beginning? I'm just curious as to what you guys believe with regard to this topic and what the basis of your belief would be?

the universe had a beginning.....a singularity
God did it.

 

[Thief]

I don't see how "something from nothing" is even sensible. Nothingness did not, does not and cannot exist. It is a lack of existence. A lack of laws, mechanisms, ideas and everything else. Once you start attributing properties of any kind to nothingness, you are no longer talking about nothingness. For as long as time has been around, there was something, even if that something was only time itself.

time does not exist.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Well, It's stable main sequence solitary star sets it aside from the vast majority of star systems right off the bat, most are multiple chaotic systems, and/or too hot/short live cold/small

Habitable zone obviously

Rotating suspended iron core creating a magnetic field to protect from solar radiation

perfect proportions of land, water, atmos, tectonic system and a vast array of parameters necessary for life as we know it

One single vast stabilizing satellite... creating a perfect balance of climactic stability yet diversity and crucial change, tides etc- this alone may be one of the greatest idiosyncrasies that made complex life possible on Earth.

The whole system remaining stable for billions of years, yet with near perfectly aimed/weighted extinction events- particularly the one which made mammal dominance possible.

Just to name a few. The list grows ever longer the more we learn, but the number of stars does not. Crunch the numbers, and it's not looking too promising for ET.

So the search for habitable planets has just begun and there is already a list of about 50 potentially habitable exo-planets in the relative near vicinity of here...then there is the rest of the billions of stars in this galaxy before we move on to the billions of galaxies....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_potentially_habitable_exoplanets

 

[RedJamaX]

But what caused the quantum fluctuations to come in existence from non-existence (no space time)?

I do believe our current understanding is that quantum particles are in a constant state of flux.... you'll need to read Lawrence's book for more information. I suppose your next question is "where did the quantum particles come from?". At this time, we don;t know, maybe tomorrow we will? 100 years ago we didn't know a lot of things that we do today, 1000 years ago we knew 10 times less than that. Just because we don;t know "yet", is no reason to assume the answer is something that is inexplicable, or supernatural. That's the argument from ignorance. Does it just make you feel better if it seems like you have an answer to that esoteric question, right now at this moment? Or is it a willful desire to hold on to the feeling of being specially created in this universe where even the current number of black holes outnumber all the people who have ever lived on our planet.??

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I do believe our current understanding is that quantum particles are in a constant state of flux.... you'll need to read Lawrence's book for more information. I suppose your next question is "where did the quantum particles come from?". At this time, we don;t know, maybe tomorrow we will? 100 years ago we didn't know a lot of things that we do today, 1000 years ago we knew 10 times less than that. Just because we don;t know "yet", is no reason to assume the answer is something that is inexplicable, or supernatural. That's the argument from ignorance. Does it just make you feel better if it seems like you have an answer to that esoteric question, right now at this moment? Or is it a willful desire to hold on to the feeling of being specially created in this universe where even the current number of black holes outnumber all the people who have ever lived on our planet.??

Ok...so you don't not know where the quantum particles came from... But can you tell me if you think that wherever they came from, it was definitely not from nothing?

 

[Parsimony]

time does not exist.

Then neither does space, as the Theory of Relativity shows that they are both aspects of the same fabric: space-time.