A Universe from Nothing?

[YmirGF]

I did put up, and then I shut up.

Here is the original post which seems to be a bone of contention for you and Muldoon:

"Everyone is already enlightened, but most just haven't realized it yet."

"Before Enlightenment, it is Something Special;
after Enlightenment, it is Nothing Special"
Zen Source

I never post anything I don't first understand myself. Then I post it so others can gain more insight into the nature of things. But you and the Muldoon want to play games instead of discussing the content of the post. All I can conclude from your statement that 'the message is usually bogus crap', is simply that you do not understand the post's content, and so the only thing you are capable of doing is to label it 'crap'. Now, if you actually DO understand the post's content, and still choose to call it 'crap', the you must see something erroneous in the content. So what is 'crap' about the content?

So, have you realized you are enlightened or not? Jeez, Louise!
What you posted is a form of "begging the question" and is a logical fallacy.

Actually, both Ben D and yourself have moved me away from the term "enlightenment" as I no longer see it as a valid state and so you will rarely see me use the term in the future. The idea being if either of you are examples of an enlightened being, I'll pass, thanks.

 

[godnotgod]

I have told you many times why your **** and **** is not authentic....

mmmmm......no...you haven't addressed the content of my posts, but only attacked via vitriolic ad hominems against myself and others far, far greater than the likes of you, luminaries such as Alan Watts and Dr. Deepak Chopra, as a means of making yourself look taller than you really are. At least ArtieE and James Bond genuinely want to have a discussion.

 

[godnotgod]

So, have you realized you are enlightened or not? Jeez, Louise!
What you posted is a form of "begging the question" and is a logical fallacy.

Actually, both Ben D and yourself have moved me away from the term "enlightenment" as I no longer see it as a valid state and so you will rarely see me use the term in the future. The idea being if either of you are examples of an enlightened being, I'll pass, thanks.

Whether I have realized my enlightenment or not is not the question. The question is whether you understand the content of the post or not.

I bet you don't even understand why you are asking the question. I do, and that is the reason I won't answer you. You're just playing an ego game. So stop the coyness, already. I know what your game is.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

For some strange reason that is still a mystery to me, YOU think yourself authentic because you think having 30 years of meditation under your belt actually MEANS something in terms of insight. It doesn't. s 'Buddhih' scriptures, but which one has a shallow understanding of, while thinking oneself clever, and wallowing around in old, stagnant outdated backwaters.

So as usual when your new-age dogma is challenged, your knee-jerk reaction is to launch an ad-hom attack on the person who is challenging. Your initial reaction when people challenge your dogma is to patronise and pretend to be enlightened, when that doesn't work you get nasty. We have seen this pattern many times before.

Actually I have been meditating for 35 years, though it isn't a big deal and I think the insight I have gained has been mostly from doing satipatthana practice. But unlike you I don't make claims of enlightenment, and I don't have delusions of grandeur. As for Buddhist texts, I have studied them seriously over a long period and practised in accordance with them, so I understand them reasonably well. You on the other hand are clueless about Buddhist texts, all you can do is quote-mine, post fake Buddha quotes and present a new-age parody of what they say.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

The question is whether you understand the content of the post or not.

No, the question is whether the content is BS or not, and the general reaction you get here is that it IS BS. Wake up and smell the coffee!

 

[godnotgod]

It is just dogma and cliche, endlessly repeated like a broken record.

A 'broken record' is itself a cliche, utilized by one whose knees jerk uncontrollably at the sound of Deepak Chopra.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

At least ArtieE and James Bond genuinely want to have a discussion.

They will soon realise it is pointless. They will soon realise you are only here to preach your new-age dogma, and that you are not in the least bit interested in their point of view. Sooner or later you will patronise and insult them, and they will understand what you really are.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

A 'broken record' is itself a cliche, utilized by one whose knees jerk uncontrollably at the sound of Deepak Chopra.

It is more a feeling of nausea, brought on by the incessant reek of BS.

 

[godnotgod]

Actually I have been meditating for 35 years, though it isn't a big deal and I think the insight I have gained has been mostly from doing satipatthana practice. But unlike you I don't make claims of enlightenment....*snip*...

If it isn't a big deal, stop bragging about it every opportunity you get. It cheapens your practice.

Now here in your post is an example of some of your erroneous thinking. In the same breath, you claim to have gained insight, and then make the false claim that I have claimed enlightenment. I have never claimed anything of the sort. You continue to jump to erroneous conclusions, based upon your false image of me that you yourself have concocted in your own muddled brain.

Insight my *ss!

 

[godnotgod]

They will soon realise it is pointless. They will soon realise you are only here to preach your new-age dogma, and that you are not in the least bit interested in their point of view. Sooner or later you will patronise and insult them, and they will understand what you really are.

Tell us all about this 'new age dogma'.

If they (and you) are genuine and really want to learn something beyond what their social indoctrination has instilled into them, then no insult can phase them.

I already know what their POV is. Been there.

 

[godnotgod]

It is more a feeling of nausea, brought on by the incessant reek of BS.

Then try getting out of the rut of those stagnant Hinayanist backwaters.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

If it isn't a big deal, stop bragging about it every opportunity you get. It cheapens your practice.
Now here in your post is an example of some of your erroneous thinking. In the same breath, you claim to have gained insight, and then make the false claim that I have claimed enlightenment. I have never claimed anything of the sort. You continue to jump to erroneous conclusions, based upon your false image of me that you yourself have concocted in your own muddled brain.
Insight my *ss!

You are the one who keeps referring to my meditation experience, not me. This is a typical example of your devious ad-hom technique.

You have repeatedly claimed to be enlightened, and it is obvious that you are not. What IS obvious is that you are on an attention-seeking ego-trip,and only here to preach your new-age dogma.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Then try getting out of the rut of those stagnant Hinayanist backwaters.

There is no Buddhist school called "Hinayana". You really are clueless.

 

[godnotgod]

No, the question is whether the content is BS or not, and the general reaction you get here is that it IS BS. Wake up and smell the coffee!

This is the content:

"Everyone is already enlightened, but most just haven't realized it yet."

"Before Enlightenment, it is Something Special;
after Enlightenment, it is Nothing Special"

Is this what you call BS? What is BS about it, then?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Actually, both Ben D and yourself have moved me away from the term "enlightenment" as I no longer see it as a valid state and so you will rarely see me use the term in the future. The idea being if either of you are examples of an enlightened being, I'll pass, thanks.

Notice how you are still wanting to look externally to see evidence of enlightenment...this is a great error....it can only be realized within....forget about godnotgod and Ben. But btw, I'm guessing that if godnotgod claimed to have looked into the eyes of Vishnu and kept a straight face....you would be suitably impressed...

 

[godnotgod]

You are the one who keeps referring to my meditation experience, not me.

You have repeatedly claimed to be enlightened,....

Now you are lying, bald-faced! I challenge you to show me where I have ever made such a claim. Such a claim is only a notion in that nit-wit of yours.

LIAR!

It is YOU who keep bringing up your 30 years of blah blah blah in those stagnant backwaters; I just continue to point it out.

 

[godnotgod]

There is no Buddhist school called "Hinayana". You really are clueless.

No, it is instead YOU who don't know how to read. I never called it a school. I said it was a stagnant backwater, which it is. You like to read into things what makes you feel smug about yourself, don'cha?

 

[godnotgod]

In many ways, most people writing here,
have a 'heaven' in their minds.
How they think they're getting to it, is the problem.
Everyone has a 'Nirvana' in their minds,
and a lot of them believe in 'it'.
What price is the cost of the attainment,
and how does one know,
one gets there at all ?
~
Well.....I'll keep non-believing,
screw the 'cost', it's only a life gone.
Oh look there...a baby squirrel eating an orchid bloom,
Life to life....no Nirvanas.
~
'mud

Nirvana is not a heaven. It is the extinguishing of greed, lust, and avarice of which 'I' is an embodiment, which is also extinguished. It is the end of the round of births and deaths. What remains is Nirvana, that state that always is, but which we fail to see because it is veiled by delusion.

Contrary to what you state, Nirvana is not a belief, such as the Christian belief in a heavenly afterlife. It is attainable in the present moment, and only in the present moment. It is experience of what is real, rather than belief in a concept of what is real. One does not 'get there', as one is already there, the very reason for the Zen riddle:

"If you see the Buddha on the road, kill him!"

...as there is no 'becoming', nor any self that 'becomes', in Buddhism.

You 'get it' when you realize that there is nothing to get.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

You were just saying

Now you are lying, bald-faced! I challenge you to show me where I have ever made such a claim. Such a claim is only a notion in that nit-wit of yours.
LIAR!
It is YOU who keep bringing up your 30 years of blah blah blah in those stagnant backwaters; I just continue to point it out.

No, YOU are lying. You HAVE repeatedly claimed to be enlightened, and you ARE the one who keeps bringing up my 30 years of meditation. Your whole approach is dishonest, you continually misrepresent the facts, you post fake Buddha quotes, and so on.

By all means set the record straight though. Are you now admitting you are NOT enlightened?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

No, it is instead YOU who don't know how to read. I never called it a school. I said it was a stagnant backwater, which it is. You like to read into things what makes you feel smug about yourself, don'cha?

So you admit Hinayana isn't a school, and yet you claim it is a "stagnant backwater". Ridiculous. You really are clueless, it is just a lame attempt at an ad-hom which you don't even understand.