A Universe from Nothing?

[james bond]

In many ways, most people writing here,
have a 'heaven' in their minds.
How they think they're getting to it, is the problem.
Everyone has a 'Nirvana' in their minds,
and a lot of them believe in 'it'.
What price is the cost of the attainment,
and how does one know,
one gets there at all ?
~
Well.....I'll keep non-believing,
screw the 'cost', it's only a life gone.
Oh look there...a baby squirrel eating an orchid bloom,
Life to life....no Nirvanas.
~
'mud

How to get to heaven in a Christian sense is easy and the cost is free.

The cost for not-believing is quite high if you ask me.

At least this thread treats consciousness in this life, so it can be helpful to you, too.

It helps me to relax or on a good day, be in tune with the one Creator.

 

[godnotgod]

Anywhere safe from ... pretentious wankers ...

You mean like wanking off about how much you know about Buddhism, how many years you've meditated (as if that means anything), and your vampire like attacks to the jugular and subsequent orgasms whenever you see one of my wonderful quotes, which are like the morning light to a vampire? Hissssss!......I think you must be a reincarnation of an escaped Pavlovian dog. Woof! Or better yet, you are the equivalent of The Grand Inquisitor, whose job it is to make sure the human spirit remains enslaved, while mine is to free it which is why you see me as a threat.

 

[godnotgod]

Cheeeeeezzzzzz.....it's not safe even in a hole !
~
'mud

Fear not.

'Let the Sun shine,
Let the Sun shine,
Let the Sunshine in'

 

[james bond]

The only nirvana I've reached is this one.

A band that openly mocked Christianity. And yet Kurt Cobain lived a tormented life and died in a tragic manner.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dozens-of-new-photos-released-from-kurt-cobain-death-probe/

 

[godnotgod]

I understand it....

You previously labeled it 'BS'. Now you pretend to 'understand' it. I think you're just so much BS, especially now that you've been exposed as a liar and a charlatan parading his Buddhist credentials like a bedizened whore.

Do you have that proof yet about my claim to be enlightened? I'd like to take a look at it.

 

[godnotgod]

I can't agree with that. Life is short. Screw that which is living me. I am the one in control, so I am living life and that which is living me can go f_themselves. Let them go get their own form or else die ha ha.

Somehow the Buddhism that I've learned through the reverend, my gf and the Dalai Lama's book, sounds more worthwhile than what you just stated. I rather take refuge there. Good day sir.

I don't think you are aware that you are totally contradicting yourself. If you take refuge in the Buddha, it means you surrender your small self, the one that thinks is in control, the one that thinks it is living life, to that which is larger than this. That is the Buddha nature. It is The Universe itself. That is who you really are, and not the petty ego that wants to maintain control over everything, and which thinks it is 'the doer'.

That which is living you is Buddha nature. You want it to 'go f_themselves'?

 

[godnotgod]

Ok, so there is no afterlife?

I did not want you to get the wrong impression from my response to you. It's not so much that there is no afterlife, as that what you think of as an afterlife is what exists right now. It's just that, because of our conditioned mind which causes us suffering, we fail to not only see it, but live it. It is always here, now, and this is only where it can be; not in some future time and place after death. So if the self can be understood as illusory, it can be extinguished, and what remains is the experience of not-self, and that is Nirvana, beyond birth and death, and is liberation itself.

 

[james bond]

I don't think you are aware that you are totally contradicting yourself. If you take refuge in the Buddha, it means you surrender your small self, the one that thinks is in control, the one that thinks it is living life, to that which is larger than this. That is the Buddha nature. It is The Universe itself. That is who you really are, and not the petty ego that wants to maintain control over everything, and which thinks it is 'the doer'.

That which is living you is Buddha nature. You want it to 'go f_themselves'?

If I'm contradicting myself, then it was not my intent. My intent was to contradict you. Good day, sir. We are done.

 

[godnotgod]

If I'm contradicting myself, then it was not my intent. My intent was to contradict you. Good day, sir. We are done.

Sorry, but whether it was your intent or not, you are still contradicting yourself, as I explained. Taking refuge in the Buddha is to surrender self-control, because it is self and it's associated problems that are the reason refuge is taken in the Buddha in the first place.

The question is: who is it that is controlling himself?

Do you see the dilemma?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Yeah, it is hardly a good advertisement. Fortunately enlightenment has little to do with the relentless preachy blue-ink BS we see in threads like this.

I've been critisized for admitting to having 30 years of meditation experience, but that is missing the point. I have been a practising Buddhist for 35 years, I have experience of all the main schools, I have taught meditation, I have been a moderator on Buddhist forums, I have led a local Buddhist group for the last 10 years, and so on.
I don't claim to be enlightened, what I do claim is to have a good understanding of modern Buddhism. I also say that the blue-inker is a pretentious wanker, and that is putting it mildly,

The proof of the pudding is in the eating...not in the pride of talking about how much you know about the dogma and theory.....if you have never from the get go had as your goal the realization of Nirvana, then I suppose moderating Buddhist forums, teaching meditation, etc., is all that represents the goal of your Buddhist practice..

 

[YmirGF]

Notice how you are still wanting to look externally to see evidence of enlightenment...this is a great error....it can only be realized within....forget about godnotgod and Ben. But btw, I'm guessing that if godnotgod claimed to have looked into the eyes of Vishnu and kept a straight face....you would be suitably impressed...

I'm simply stunned that you still don't get it. It's so freaking obvious - if you actually thought about it.... Too funny!

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I'm simply stunned that you still don't get it. It's so freaking obvious - if you actually thought about it.... Too funny!

I don't need to think about it...what you said is what you said......you looked into the eyes of Vishnu....

 

[godnotgod]

There is no 'becoming' in Buddhism. The seeker on the path toward becoming the Buddha is an illusion. That is why it is said that, "if you see the Buddha on the road, kill him!"

I am not interested in your awful new-age parodies of Buddhism, or your lame Zen cliches. It is all nonsense. You continually misrepresent Buddhism, you post fake quotes, it is all a vain attempt to prop up your tiresome new-age dogma.

This is a good example of how you completely ignore the content of my quote to go on your pre-programmed tirade. You say you understand the content of my quotes, and then, in the same breath, call them 'nonsense', and 'fake', and 'new age dogma'. I am afraid that it is YOU who are the fake.

'killing the Buddha on the road' is a legitimate Zen aphorism. It says two things: that no one 'becomes' the Buddha, and that all images of the Buddha are not the Buddha. The Taoist equivalent says:

"The Tao that can be tao'd is not the true Tao"

You are like the man fatally shot with an arrow as told in one of the Buddhist parables. When a passing doctor stops to pull out the arrow, the man protests, wanting to know all of the details about the arrow; what kind of wood; what kind of bird are the feathers from; who made the arrow; etc, etc, and by the time these questions of minutiae are answered, the man will be dead. That is what your Buddhism is: dead. Just an empty, stiffened shell with no heart. And no, your science will not save you. You may as well put your Buddha in a jar of formaldehyde and onto a lab shelf and label it:

Buddhism:
Condition: Dead
Cause: Drowned in Stagnant Backwater
Future: None

 

[YmirGF]

I don't need to think about it...what you said is what you said......you looked into the eyes of Vishnu....

Your response is profoundly amusing.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Your response is profoundly amusing.

Thank you Lord Vishnu....I am honored....

 

[YmirGF]

Thank you Lord Vishnu....I am honored....

Not unexpectedly, you couldn't be further from the truth, LOL.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Whatever....

 

[YmirGF]

Whatever....

Heaven forbid you admit you are in error... ... though I do understand why you cannot see, what is right in front of your nose, as it were.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Heaven forbid you admit you are in error... ... though I do understand why you cannot see, what is right in front of your nose, as it were.

Error? ...that's an odd statement.....are you now denying you ever claimed you looked into the eyes of Vishnu....just a simple yes or no answer will suffice?

 

[YmirGF]

Error? ...that's an odd statement.....are you now denying you ever claimed you looked into the eyes of Vishnu....just a simple yes or no answer will suffice?

You're missing the point of the tale. My guess is that what I am getting at bounces off your version of reality and so you cannot bring yourself to even begin to seriously entertain the idea I am expressing. The nugget is what I saw in those eyes... The eyes and face etc... are immaterial, no pun intended however amusing.