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A Very Simple Question For Creationists

savagewind

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Changes are purely random. The fact that some are right, and therefore selected and (not randomly) transmitted to the next generations, is just a contingency of the external environment.

Ciao

- viole
I know that. I am trying to get you to see the impossible number that had to have occurred all blind.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
I know that. I am trying to get you to see the impossible number that had to have occurred all blind.

I do not see that. All you need is one periodic blind little luck. Once that little luck is part of the population, by being inherited and having replaced the rest, you just need the next blind one, that builds on the previous one (without knowing it). And so on.

Every little blind step has more or less the same probability of the previous one.

Ciao

- viole
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
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I do not see that. All you need is one periodic blind little luck. Once that little luck is part of the population, by being inherited and having replaced the rest, you just need the next blind one, that builds on the previous one (without knowing it). And so on.

Every little blind step has more or less the same probability of the previous one.

Ciao

- viole
I know that. If there was only one type of life, I would have to agree with you. How many kinds of life have there ever been?
 

savagewind

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Scientists have estimated that over the course of Earth's history, anywhere between 1 and 4 billion species have existed on this planet.
How many species have existed on earth?

How many years since the universe's beginning? The Earth's ?

Earth began to form over 4.6 billion years ago

Toward the end of the Archean Period and at the beginning of the Proterozoic Period, about 2.5 billion years ago, oxygen-forming photosynthesis began to occur. The first fossils were a type of blue-green algae that could photosynthesize.

Compared to prokaryotic organisms such as bacteria, plants and animals have a relatively recent evolutionary origin. DNA evidence suggests that the first eukaryotes evolved from prokaryotes, between 2500 and 1000 million years ago.

Eozostrodon was one of the first true mammals; it lived during the late Triassic period and early Jurassic period, about 210 million years ago. This small, primitive, egg-laying mammal fed the young with mother's milk.

Most animal species flourished and became extinct long before the first monkeys and their prosimian ancestors evolved. While the earth is about 4.54 billion years old and the first life dates to at least 3.5 billion years ago, the first primates did not appear until around 50-55 million years ago.

How many small blind steps would it take to make a human, in your opinion?
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Let's just say that 1 billion different kinds of life have existed on Earth.

Life began approximately :D 2.5 billion years ago. How many small blind steps did it take to make that life? Was there only one?
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Probably true. Why are you asking?

Ciao

- viole
Now, take all you little x's and multiply them with as many kinds of life have existed since 2.5 billion years.

By the way, I suppose there were many more failed x's. Count those too. It's only fair.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Now, take all you little x's and multiply them with as many kinds of life have existed since 2.5 billion years.

By the way, I suppose there were many more failed x's. Count those too. It's only fair.

This forum does not allow me to submit posts with more than a few thousands characters.

But they are many.

And your point is....?

Ciao

- viole
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
This forum does not allow me to submit posts with more than a few thousands characters.

But they are many.

And your point is....?

Ciao

- viole
Put all those zillions of xs into 2.5 billion years. What do you get?
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I'll tell you what you get. You get different physics than we know now.......
I mean what you know.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Put all those zillions of xs into 2.5 billion years. What do you get?

A few xs per year, at the beginning I guess. After the first branchings you get more xs occuring at the same time on the different branches. And as the branches increase, an exponentially growing number of xs occuring in parallel.

So?

Ciao

- viole
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
A few xs per year, at the beginning I guess. After the first branchings you get more xs occuring at the same time on the different branches. And as the branches increase, an exponentially growing number of xs occuring in parallel.

So?

Ciao

- viole
I think that people mistakenly omit all the xs that did not take.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I think it should be obvious that more benign changes occur than those that actually take and produce a new something.
 
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