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A warning and a call to Baha’is from Baha’u’llah’s Universal House of Justice

Jim

Jim

Nets of Wonder
siti said:
... trap that religious dialogue often falls into - painting everyone (else) with the same broad stroke.
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I’m reading all the posts again, from the beginning, looking for ideas in what people say and do in this thread, about what needs to change in popular attitudes and behavior, and how any of us might be able to help change it. This is one example of what needs to change: painting groups of people with one broad stroke.
 
Jim

Jim

Nets of Wonder
I’ve read all the posts again, looking for ideas about changes that are needed in popular attitudes and behavior, and what any of us might be able to do to help.

Changes needed in popular attitudes and behavior:
  1. Stop trying to discredit other people’s religions and their followers.
  2. Stop arguing with people when they’re trying to discredit us and our religion.
  3. Move away from an adversarial attitude towards people across religious dividing lines, towards working side by side with them, as friends and companions, to help make the world better for all people everywhere, ignoring those lines.
  4. Stop playing “my religion is better than your religion.”
  5. Stop aimlessly and endlessly debating about ideologies.
  6. Stop trying to proclaim and teach our religion to people against their will.
  7. Stop painting groups of people with one broad stroke.
  8. Allow each to see reality and God in their own way.
  9. Approach interfaith dialogue with a desire to learn new things from others.
  10. Cultivate both within ourselves and in the social spaces around us a much more profound sense of the interconnectedness of humanities religious experience.
How any of us might be able to help:
  1. Community building at a grassroots levels.
  2. Remember we’re all on a journey and be patient and kind.
  3. Continual efforts to practice, ourselves, the changes that are needed in popular attitudes and behavior.
  4. Learn to be better friends with more people.
  5. Bring these issues up for discussion.
  6. Remember our own imperfections
That brings me to page 8. I need to go to bed now.
 
M

Marcion

gopa of humanity's controversial Taraka Brahma
spirit_of_dawn said:
"One Common Faith" means Baha'is will eradicate all religions and convert everyone to Baha'ism:

"We desire but the good of the world and the happiness of the nations; that all nations shall become one in faith and all men as brothers; that the bonds of affection and unity between the sons of men shall be strengthened; that diversity of religion shall cease and differences of race be annulled. So it shall ,be; these fruitless strifes, these ruinous wars shall pass away, and the 'Most Great Peace' shall come (Baha'u'llah)." (Star of the West, Vol. 3, no. 7) http://starofthewest.info/Vol03/large/SOTW_Vol03_129.gif​

However what Baha'is will never tell you is that this conversion is not meant to come by peaceful means but rather in a genocidal form. Three translations are provided below of what Baha'u'llah's writes in Āthār-i Qalam-i A`lā, vol. 2, no. 90, p. 587

"God will soon take out from the sleeves of power the hands of strength and dominance and will make the Servant (Bahā’u’llāh) victorious and will cleanse the earth from the filth of every rejected polytheist (deniers of Baha’ism). And they will stand by the cause and will conquer the lands using my mighty eternal name and will enter the lands and they will be feared by all the servants." (Translation by Hossein Akhoondali, Twelve Principles book)

"Erelong shall God draw forth, out of the bosom of power, the hands of ascendancy and might, and shall raise up a people who will arise to win victory for this Youth and who will purge mankind from the defilement of the outcast and the ungodly. These hands will gird up their loins to champion the Faith of God, and will, in My name the Self-Subsistent, the Mighty, subdue the peoples and kindreds of the earth. They will enter the cities and will inspire with fear the hearts of all their inhabitants." (Translation from The Summons of the Lord of Hosts)

"God shall send forth from the sleeves of Might the hands [Hands] of power and victory, and certain people to assist this Servant, and to cleanse the earth from the impurity of every abandoned polytheist, and they shall arise in favor of this matter, and open the countries in My Name, the Powerful, the Self-existent, and enter their boundaries, and their threats shall overtake all the servants" (Translated by Anton Haddad)​

There is a reason that Baha'is are ordered to do this:

"Be thou as a flame of fire to My enemies and a river of life eternal to My loved" (Baha'u'llah)​

and this:

“And you, O friends of God, be clouds of grace for those who believe in God and his signs, and be certain torment for those who do not believe in God and are polytheists (deniers of Baha’ism),” Baha’u’llah, Majmu`iy-i alwah-i mubarak-ih, p. 216.​
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Which totally proves my point.
I am done here.
 
TransmutingSoul

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
spirit_of_dawn said:
"One Common Faith" means Baha'is will eradicate all religions and convert everyone to Baha'ism:

"We desire but the good of the world and the happiness of the nations; that all nations shall become one in faith and all men as brothers; that the bonds of affection and unity between the sons of men shall be strengthened; that diversity of religion shall cease and differences of race be annulled. So it shall ,be; these fruitless strifes, these ruinous wars shall pass away, and the 'Most Great Peace' shall come (Baha'u'llah)." (Star of the West, Vol. 3, no. 7) http://starofthewest.info/Vol03/large/SOTW_Vol03_129.gif​

However what Baha'is will never tell you is that this conversion is not meant to come by peaceful means but rather in a genocidal form. Three translations are provided below of what Baha'u'llah's writes in Āthār-i Qalam-i A`lā, vol. 2, no. 90, p. 587

"God will soon take out from the sleeves of power the hands of strength and dominance and will make the Servant (Bahā’u’llāh) victorious and will cleanse the earth from the filth of every rejected polytheist (deniers of Baha’ism). And they will stand by the cause and will conquer the lands using my mighty eternal name and will enter the lands and they will be feared by all the servants." (Translation by Hossein Akhoondali, Twelve Principles book)

"Erelong shall God draw forth, out of the bosom of power, the hands of ascendancy and might, and shall raise up a people who will arise to win victory for this Youth and who will purge mankind from the defilement of the outcast and the ungodly. These hands will gird up their loins to champion the Faith of God, and will, in My name the Self-Subsistent, the Mighty, subdue the peoples and kindreds of the earth. They will enter the cities and will inspire with fear the hearts of all their inhabitants." (Translation from The Summons of the Lord of Hosts)

"God shall send forth from the sleeves of Might the hands [Hands] of power and victory, and certain people to assist this Servant, and to cleanse the earth from the impurity of every abandoned polytheist, and they shall arise in favor of this matter, and open the countries in My Name, the Powerful, the Self-existent, and enter their boundaries, and their threats shall overtake all the servants" (Translated by Anton Haddad)​

There is a reason that Baha'is are ordered to do this:

"Be thou as a flame of fire to My enemies and a river of life eternal to My loved" (Baha'u'llah)​

and this:

“And you, O friends of God, be clouds of grace for those who believe in God and his signs, and be certain torment for those who do not believe in God and are polytheists (deniers of Baha’ism),” Baha’u’llah, Majmu`iy-i alwah-i mubarak-ih, p. 216.​
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That is a nice arrangement of deception you have produced. Passages used out of context, unauthorized translations taken from hate sites.

If it makes you happy, so be it.

Peace be with you.

Regards Tony
 
M

Marcion

gopa of humanity's controversial Taraka Brahma
Namaskar Tony,
Is it non-Baha'i with ill and hateful intent or are they just trying to point something out which the Baha'i fail to understand or do not wish to understand?
I do not blame the founder of the Baha'i for having taken that in my eyes biased point of view, he came from a Muslim background so it seems only natural to me that it happened that way.
 
TransmutingSoul

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
Marcion said:
Namaskar Tony,
Is it non-Baha'i with ill and hateful intent or are they just trying to point something out which the Baha'i fail to understand or do not wish to understand?
I do not blame the founder of the Baha'i for having taken that in my eyes biased point of view, he came from a Muslim background so it seems only natural to me that it happened that way.
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Namaskar Marcoin.

What Biased view are you talking about?

Regards Tony
 
Vinayaka

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Marcion said:
Is it non-Baha'i with ill and hateful intent or are they just trying to point something out which the Baha'i fail to understand or do not wish to understand?
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You got it. I remember the first times I learned about this overreaction and nonsense. It went like this:

Me: I'm not a Christian.
Him: So you hate all Christians then?

Quite the jump.
 
Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
So you have accepted a deceptive post, just like that, no questions?
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Give us your translation and we will check it on Google Translate. ;)
Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
I see the only people posting hate here is not the Baha'i.
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Did you ever wonder as to why people do that? You step on their sacred beliefs ('Krishna or Buddha are just prophets, but Bahaullah is the latest manifestation and none other to come for the next 800 years. And the message of Krishna and Buddha stands corrected by Bahaullah'). What conceit! Who asked Abdul Baha or yourself to speak about Krishna or Buddha (Bahaullah never said anything about Krishna or Buddha)?
 
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Jim

Jim

Nets of Wonder
@siti @adrian009 If I can’t find anyone to stay on topic with me, I might give this up. I could keep talking to myself, considering the possibility that this might benefit some people who read without posting, but it might do me and them a lot more good, to have someone discussing it with me.
 
Jim

Jim

Nets of Wonder
Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
Thus It is only fair one point out deliberate deception and offer to others we are willing to explain that deception , if they are willing to listen
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If that matters more to you than respecting what I’m trying to do in this thread, then maybe you could consider finding or starting another thread for that purpose, please?
 
TransmutingSoul

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
Vinayaka said:
You got it. I remember the first times I learned about this overreaction and nonsense. It went like this:

Me: I'm not a Christian.
Him: So you hate all Christians then?

Quite the jump.
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Again this is not accurate. When Hinduism is wrongly portrayed, are you silent?

I responded to a post that contained unauthorised, incorrect and missleading quotes about the Baha'i Faith. The purpose of that post was to paint a picture of Baha'i other than the goal of unity.

I then responded to posts that said it was just as they thought it would be and asked if they would like it clarified.

So many times the Forums rules are trangressed here, but we let people have their input with no reporting to moderation. I say all I need to say in my posts, thus it is only fair we can point this out.

Peace be with all, Regards Tony
 
TransmutingSoul

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
Jim said:
? My intent in this thread doesn’t matter to you at all? That’s how it looks to me, but I’m surprised to see you admit it.
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I was not aware you asked a question about yourself Jim.

I am happy to move on.

Regards Tony.
 
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