A woman's rage

[sun rise]

Of course you would.

Thank you for acknowledging my thoughtful and careful reading.

 

[Revoltingest]

Thank you for acknowledging my thoughtful and careful reading.

And for your lack of petulance & hostility in expressing a different inference.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

I think you're quibbling to avoid admitting a mistake.
My advice to avoid broadly brushing is sound.

Actually, Sunstone's logic is quite obviously correct.

 

[Revoltingest]

Actually, his logic is quite obviously correct.

His inference is one way to read it.
I advised against the "all men" because it
struck me differently, & as counter-productive.

Suppose I'd posted a thread to help "all women finally
understand" men's concern about false rape accusations,
due process & the presumption of innocence.....
Would the same same posters read "all" as "some"?
I suspect not.

 

[ChristineM]

In some cases, yes.
But other cases have a question about consent.

Some do.
But I spoke of those who judge without evidence.
(Remember the "some" prefix.)
There's nothing misogynist about recognizing their existence.
Tis just as it's not misandrist to say some men call Ford a liar,
& Kavanaugh innocent without evidence.
Ref....
Women's group projects 'Kavanaugh is a sexual predator' on courthouse

You

In some cases, yes.
But other cases have a question about consent.

Some do.
But I spoke of those who judge without evidence.
(Remember the "some" prefix.)
There's nothing misogynist about recognizing their existence.
Tis just as it's not misandrist to say some men call Ford a liar,
& Kavanaugh innocent without evidence.
Ref....
Women's group projects 'Kavanaugh is a sexual predator' on courthouse

You said

Looking over this & similar threads, it appears that multiple big topics are being addressed simultaneously rather & individually

This thread isn't about make believe, sympathy, what if, sulking, accusations etc, it is about helping some men understand, by analogy, what it is like to be physically abuse, often repeatedly.

 

[ChristineM]

True. But they're going down the dark path right now with thoughtful conservatives bailing out as the march into forming mobs, embracing lies, disenfranchising voters, dumping on the poor etc gets worse.

Same is happening in the uk, different reasons, same politics

 

[Revoltingest]

This thread isn't about make believe, sympathy, what if, sulking, accusations etc, it is about helping some men understand, by analogy, what it is like to be physically abuse, often repeatedly.

I'll limit my posts to that topic.

 

[ChristineM]

I'll limit my posts to that topic.

Thank you, there are other threads on the other subjects

 

[Stevicus]

That was he implication of your last paragraph.

There was no such implication at all.

 

[ChristineM]

There was no such implication at all.

The implicit implication was she never cried over the weak guy not defending himself so if she gets raped... Tough. That is excusing rape

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Dont know much about the Kavanaugh debacle other that its a hot issue in America.

Kavanaugh is well known for being abusive to women. It's quite credible that he attempted to rape Dr Ford, and it's even more credible that he raped other women too.

He's a member of the Good Old Privileged White Boy's Club, so he not only gets away with being a serial assaulter of women?

He LIES in his Job Application Interview-- but gets the damn job anyway.

We have his blatant lies on video record. Plenty of fact-checking on what he said, reveal multiple instances of blatant lying.

It wasn't hidden from the committee-- but they are GOP, and they just forking do not care.

That is the legacy of the GOP: They don't care about anything but getting richer.

 

[Stevicus]

The implicit implication was she never cried over the weak guy not defending himself so if she gets raped... Tough. That is excusing rape

No, you're wrong.

 

[ChristineM]

No, you're wrong.

So how else can it be interpreted?

 

[ChristineM]

Kavanaugh is well known for being abusive to women. It's quite credible that he attempted to rape Dr Ford, and it's even more credible that he raped other women too.

He's a member of the Good Old Privileged White Boy's Club, so he not only gets away with being a serial assaulter of women?

He LIES in his Job Application Interview-- but gets the damn job anyway.

We have his blatant lies on video record. Plenty of fact-checking on what he said, reveal multiple instances of blatant lying.

It wasn't hidden from the committee-- but they are GOP, and they just forking do not care.

That is the legacy of the GOP: They don't care about anything but getting richer.

Jobs for the boys... Its systemic throughout the world.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Man Perfectly Explains Women’s Rage Today Using Brutal Analogy So That All Men Can Finally Understand It

Author A.R. Moxon has recently invited all men to participate in an exercise of empathy. He reframed women’s experiences with assault and sexual violence and presented it in a way that most guys should comprehend…

Man Perfectly Explains Women’s Rage Today Using Brutal Analogy So That All Men Can Finally Understand It​

Comments?

Does it help you guys understand?

A brilliant analogy. One that you would think would actually work.

Alas-- in spite of the very graphic and visual nature of being kicked in the nads-- a fate that I would wager no male has failed to experience, at least, by accident.

(learning to ride an old fashioned bike can lead one to experiencing being "kicked" in the nads by that hard steel pipe that runs between the seat and the handlebars...)

I only see one major problem with the entire thing:

Empathy.

That is, in order to identify with it, one needs a smallish dose of Empathy.

In order to project the entire metaphor into the general case? You need a somewhat larger dose of Empathy.

And we have demonstrated repeatedly that Empathy is almost entirely lacking among the major players in Men Today, at least those who are constantly abusing women, either verbally or otherwise.

It's even worse, if you mix near total lack of empathy with extreme narcissism, as is the case with the GOP party top dogs these days, with a double-measure in tЯump, the Narcissist In Chief.

And K: Look at his language, in his "defense"-- it's all about HIM, and how HE is being affected.... just fork-all to any mere wimmin' who might or might-not be involved.

So. Even with such a graphic analogy as being struck repeatedly in the family jewels?

Without EMPATHY, it will all just fly over their pointy little heads... ( the one at the top of the body, not the other one)

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Yeah, to some extent, it might help to understand. I've been kicked in my genitals before, so I know what that feels like.

Among guys, there is a certain hierarchy of toughness. Some guys are tough, bruiser types - big, strong, and able to beat the crap out of the smaller, weaker, wimpier guys out there. The weaker men don't get any sympathy when they're bullied or beaten, and they're often told to "man up" or to stop being such a "crybaby."

Some well-meaning men might advise them to get in shape and learn how to fight, as portrayed in movies like "The Karate Kid." They don't expect society to bend or placate them. They learn to fight, defeat their nemeses, and gain respect the old-fashioned way. There are a few who take the idea to extremes, getting a gun and shooting up a lot of people just to demonstrate they're not wimps or crybabies - they're cold-blooded killers who might still be hated by society, yet still given more respect than the average 98-pound weakling. Sad but true.

I don't think women have any conception of that at all, and many of them might even laugh at or scorn the weaker man who can't fight or stand up for himself. The weaker, gentler men might even wonder why women go for the tough, bruiser types - because they might seem like "real men," and then also wonder why they're to blame when these "real men" beat or rape them. They might wonder, "Why was she hanging out with men like that in the first place? I never raped anyone or hurt any women, so why am *I* to blame for the choices she consciously made? Why should *I* show sympathy when no one showed any sympathy for me when I was beaten and humiliated and all those mean girls laughed about it and rubbed salt in my wounds?"

Unfortunately, this entire mess only further underscores the idea that men end up being at the root of problems for BOTH genders.

 

[columbus]

Does it help you guys understand?

No, quite the contrary.

You and the author are saying that women dislike sex as much as men dislike being kicked in the nuts. I am confident that is not true. Women generally like sex, in my experience. Men dislike being kicked in the nuts, that's pretty universal.

So, no. This is feminazi BS.
Tom

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, quite the contrary.

You and the author are saying that women dislike sex as much as men dislike being kicked in the nuts. I am confident that is not true. Women generally like sex, in my experience. Men dislike being kicked in the nuts, that's pretty universal.

So, no. This is feminazi BS.
Tom

I did not think someone could misunderstand that analogy to such an extent. I suppose some sort of congratulations are in order

 

[ChristineM]

No, quite the contrary.

You and the author are saying that women dislike sex as much as men dislike being kicked in the nuts. I am confident that is not true. Women generally like sex, in my experience. Men dislike being kicked in the nuts, that's pretty universal.

So, no. This is feminazi BS.
Tom

Nope the author and i make it clear that women dont like abuse, sorry to disappoint you but abuse is not sex.

 

[ChristineM]

I did not think someone could misunderstand that analogy to such an extent. I suppose some sort of congratulations are in order

I wouldn't say congratulations