A woman's rage

[Revoltingest]

Yeah, I see what you mean about the interrogations. :/

And that's mild compared to what real cops are known to do.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

And that's mild compared to what real cops are known to do.

True.

I remember when that happened on one episode, the guy was so frightened of going to prison, he killed himself. So they were responsible for that. Not everything the cops do on that show are things to be lauded. It kind of lets the viewer make up their own minds. There's police brutality issues, too. It's not a black and white show. That's my perspective, anyway.

 

[Revoltingest]

True.

I remember when that happened on one episode, the guy was so frightened of going to prison, he killed himself. So they were responsible for that. Not everything the cops do on that show are things to be lauded. It kind of lets the viewer make up their own minds. There's police brutality issues, too. It's not a black and white show. That's my perspective, anyway.

The disparate treatment of male & female sexual assault
victims is interesting in that it comports with the larger media.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The disparate treatment of male & female sexual assault
victims is interesting in that it comports with the larger media.

Right. That show mostly bases its topics on whatever topics society is focused on at the moment. But yeah, I don't think male rape is funny or something that should be wished upon prisoners. I will admit to being an SVU fanboy, though. I'm actually watching it now. Lol

 

[Sunstone]

And this pretend laughing stuff....

There you go again, Rev. Telling someone what they think or feel. That's a pretty good trick, I guess. Mind reading, I mean. What other super powers do you believe you possess? I'm only pretending to enjoy your melt-down, by the way.

 

[Stevicus]

There was no advocating groin kicking.
It was just an analogy, albeit one off the mark.
From The Simpsons to Big Bang Theory to Murphy Brown....attacking men's groins is typically
accompanied by a laugh track. Rape isn't comedy....except for that Law & Order show.

Well, yeah, as analogies go, it was rather weak. That's why I thought there might have been a more apt analogy; rape is a crime of violence of the strong against the weak, so the male equivalent might be a stronger male violently attacking a weaker male. The OP thought that meant "excusing rape," which was so far off base.

 

[ChristineM]

Then do it.

I see women manipulating men with sex quite commonly. It's easy, because men are programmed that way.
"Men are pigs", is the usual way of saying that here in the USA. France might be different, but I wouldn't know. I am not French.

Trust me, I know a lot about men. We really are pigs, as a group. Not all, but it's a thing. Similarly, women are slts. Not all, but it's a thing.



Prude that I am, I think that everyone should respect "propriety". Don't feel free to do whatever you want unless you are willing to bear the consequences. Nothing to do with gender, I mean that for everyone.

Tom

Shesh,

You were one the first people i had contact with when i joined rf and i have respected you as a poster of valid and intellectual comment. Over the last 12 hour i have modified that view.

Nor am i french, what has nationality to do with respect?

And still the incidence of rape far exceeds false accusation. And still rape is treated as a female problem. Attitudes like yours are why sexual abuse often goes unreported and unpunished.

 

[ChristineM]

It fails to consider projection of victims' experience on to Kav/Ford Congressional circus creating an emotion feedback loop when people couldn't separate their own experience from Fords and Kavs. They become Ford and their attacker(s) Kav. Lack of acceptance in one case is a lack of acceptance of their own.





I already understood it and better than Moxon. He seems like a dolt.

It is not about topical American politics or she said, he said, but it is about providing a way for some men to understand a woman's view of the real and physical sexual abuse that is rampant in today's society. Seems some can see that without being kicked in the nuts, some can learn it compares well and some just cannot comprehend.

 

[ChristineM]

In the context of your OP, the topic was not about excusing or punishing rape. Rape is a violent crime, and there are laws against it. Unless I explicitly proposed a repeal of such laws (which I didn't), I can't possibly imagine how you reached the conclusion that I was "excusing rape." I interpret that as an insult and a personal attack against me, which is against the rules of the forum, as I understand them.

In any case, I am not a law enforcement officer, prosecutor, or judge, so I wouldn't have the power to "excuse rape" at all.

Your OP seems to bemoan the idea that men are not understanding or empathetic enough towards women who are raped, but the kind of throwaway one-line response you gave to the several paragraphs I wrote points up the root of the problem as to why some men might not be as understanding as you would like them to be. You seem to think that you can just bark at men or kick them in the groin, and that will somehow get us to comply with your demands. If that's what you believe, you couldn't be more wrong, indicating that you're more a part of the problem than part of any solution.

Why should i bother with more than a throw away comment when you are not understanding the object of the op. Nor my motive for posting it.

Of course it was full expected that a proportion of those replying would take the ''shes a feminazi because shes complaining about rape, what about us poor guys who have to put up with rape accusations, its spoiling our fun"

I am surprised that the number is so low with the vast majority of men applauding the thread.

Answer, put a stop to the raping/abusing women and women will stop highlighting the problem

 

[Stevicus]

Why should i bother with more than a throw away comment when you are not understanding the object of the op. Nor my motive for posting it.

Of course it was full expected that a proportion of those replying would take the ''shes a feminazi because shes complaining about rape, what about us poor guys who have to put up with rape accusations, its spoiling our fun"

I am surprised that the number is so low with the vast majority of men applauding the thread.

Answer, put a stop to the raping/abusing women and women will stop highlighting the problem

You obviously didn't even bother reading what I wrote. I didn't even say a word about accusations.

The "vast majority of men applauding the thread" come off as obsequious sycophants who are only telling you what you want to hear. They won't tell you the truth. I will, and yet you don't want to hear it because it somehow spoils the false narrative you're trying to convey.

 

[ChristineM]

You obviously didn't even bother reading what I wrote. I didn't even say a word about accusations.

The "vast majority of men applauding the thread" come off as obsequious sycophants who are only telling you what you want to hear. They won't tell you the truth. I will, and yet you don't want to hear it because it somehow spoils the false narrative you're trying to convey.

You think you know men?

It is obvious you prefer to call the majority liers rather than accept they are more men than could ever dream.

Tell me have you ever been raped? Of course you will know all about the physical and mental pain wont you?

 

[Nous]

- Men fear false allegations from women.

That can't be a very realistic fear, given that false accusations of sexual assault are apparently quite rare.

And what are men doing with this alleged fear? Are they doing everything possible to get verbal consent or to clarify ambiguities? Are men avoiding women? It doesn't seem to me any of that is happening.

- Men want due process if accused, with the presumption of innocence.

As far as I know, men are afforded the presumption of innocence in trials for sexual assault. If you have any information otherwise, provide it.

 

[Estro Felino]

You think you know men?

It is obvious you prefer to call the majority liers rather than accept they are more men than could ever dream.

Tell me have you ever been raped? Of course you will know all about the physical and mental pain wont you?

Speaking of liars, Jimmy Bennett said Asia Argento "raped " him. which imo is not even mechanically possible that a woman "rapes" a man

 

[Stevicus]

You think you know men?

It is obvious you prefer to call the majority liers rather than accept they are more men than could ever dream.

Tell me have you ever been raped? Of course you will know all about the physical and mental pain wont you?

I know men quite well. Better than you, I think. I also know what it's like to be a man, something that no woman could ever possibly understand, so you're unqualified to say who is "more man" than another.

I've been violently abused, and as you pointed out to Columbus upthread, abuse is not sex. But abuse is abuse, and I understand it all too well - especially at the hands of men who were older, bigger, and stronger than I was. The only thing I could do was to stand up and defend myself, which I finally learned to do. I got bigger and stronger myself - and turned the tables on my abusers. Your arrogant assumptions carry too much projection. You have no idea, and you know nothing about me.

 

[Revoltingest]

There you go again, Rev. Telling someone what they think or feel. That's a pretty good trick, I guess. Mind reading, I mean. What other super powers do you believe you possess? I'm only pretending to enjoy your melt-down, by the way.

You spend your wee hours thinking of me, & trying to ignite a
flame war....instead of sleeping?
Here I thought I was top dog in the unproductive slacker contest!

 

[ChristineM]

Speaking of liars, Jimmy Bennett said Asia Argento "raped " him. which imo is not even mechanically possible that a woman "rapes" a man

Once again, irrelevant.

 

[Revoltingest]

You were one the first people i had contact with when i joined rf and i have respected you as a poster of valid and intellectual comment. Over the last 12 hour i have modified that view.

Our friend has his ups & downs.
If cut some slack, he'll come around to being reasonable.
Ain't nobody perfect (especially him).

And no, this olive branch is not to curry your favor, @columbus.

 

[ChristineM]

I know men quite well. Better than you, I think. I also know what it's like to be a man, something that no woman could ever possibly understand, so you're unqualified to say who is "more man" than another.

I've been violently abused, and as you pointed out to Columbus upthread, abuse is not sex. But abuse is abuse, and I understand it all too well - especially at the hands of men who were older, bigger, and stronger than I was. The only thing I could do was to stand up and defend myself, which I finally learned to do. I got bigger and stronger myself - and turned the tables on my abusers. Your arrogant assumptions carry too much projection. You have no idea, and you know nothing about me.

You think?

And women are beginning to stand up and it seems to frighten some men

And you have as much idea about me, or this thread, for that matter

 

[Revoltingest]

That can't be a very realistic fear, given that false accusations of sexual assault are apparently quite rare.

You say it's "quite rare" (which is debatable), but fears aren't always rational.
Analogy time: We both know that air travel is safe relative to driving, yet I fear
the former more than the latter. Sure, it's irrational. But it happens.

We shouldn't be arguing over whether people's fears are right or wrong,
but rather recognizing that these fears & concerns exist.

Btw, I was once falsely accused of peeping a female tenant. The allegation
evaporated because my accuser admitted to a friend that it was a joke.
The friend was my employee at the time. So it was defused.
Sure, sure, it wasn't nearly as serious as assault. But if you've never been
so accused, you might not appreciate the gravity of it, the potential for it to
become newsworthy if she persisted, enter the court of public opinion, &
how it can color one's perception of risk.

And what are men doing with this alleged fear? Are they doing everything possible to get verbal consent or to clarify ambiguities? Are men avoiding women? It doesn't seem to me any of that is happening.

I don't personally see people doing things differently from a few years ago.

As far as I know, men are afforded the presumption of innocence in trials for sexual assault. If you have any information otherwise, provide it.

Consider the Ford v Kavanaugh context.
It's the court of public opinion.

 

[Stevicus]

You think?

And women are beginning to stand up and it seems to frighten some men

And you have as much idea about me, or this thread, for that matter

Let's be clear about this: In your OP, you weren't explicitly complaining about rape. You were complaining about men (the ones who are not violent and not rapists) not understanding what it's like. That's an important distinction which should be noted.

And if you think that women are only "beginning" to stand up, all I can say is, where have you been? Women have been standing up against rape for as long as I can remember. And most men (including myself) have been standing with them. But you appear to be so clouded by such blind rage that you simply can not see when someone is actually on your side.