Abandon All Hope

[Aiviu]

This dimension we are now living in is ruled by abrahamic god.He rules this world with an iron fist namely pain and fear.We cannot live our hearts desires because abrahamic god is the ultimate constricter and restrainer.We have no option but bend before him and wish to get accepted by him or else he will torture us , make us miserable.All of our longings desires will just make it harder because we are trapped in his dimension and he won't let us into another.We should just accept we are his slaves and hope to get accepted with him.We just cannot beat him there is no hope , you cannot hope to have an existence of your own.

Everything i wrote in the last three hours was subjective which can be ridiculed by anyone. So let me start again .. Anyway, sorry for ranting again ...

Our hearts desire predetermines our free will to act in a wrong way when the things which we previously loved has been lost and forgotten in the past of time. It creates a torment by those who attempt to act in what they feel as a hearts desire that ends in how the world is ruled. That ends in how we torture ourselves for a hearts desire which isnt its origin. Layers of hearts desires proved to us that the origin was a lie as in we had simply forgot. The origin of our hearts desire has been hidden and protected from us. I even dont know if you got what i am writing ... What i'am trying to say is if we cant believe in a God which stand for the word love - we wont remember it. That what seems to be the origin will be just the cover to hide what lays underneath. And its not to find that origin as a rule to do. Its more to know how you've become the one who you are today.

 

[ThirtyThree]

So we agree that the god mentioned in this thread does not in FACT exist. Good to hear.

Stop splitting hairs. It is not flattering.

Would you claim that leprechauns and fairies don't exist? Why would claiming something that has NO evidence for its existence be a problem? Could some kind of creator exist? I don't see why not but there are pretty clear indications that if a creator exists, it is nothing like what manmade myths would have us believe.

No, I do not believe such mythical creatures exist but I am open to the possibility. As for Yahweh, I believe he exists. If you want to believe he does not exist, that is your belief.

Strong Atheists like you have just as much faith as many Christians. You have faith their deity does NOT exist. You can not prove their deity does not exist. Can you? Therefore, you have FAITH he does not exist.

 

[buddhist]

This dimension we are now living in is ruled by abrahamic god.He rules this world with an iron fist namely pain and fear.We cannot live our hearts desires because abrahamic god is the ultimate constricter and restrainer.We have no option but bend before him and wish to get accepted by him or else he will torture us , make us miserable.All of our longings desires will just make it harder because we are trapped in his dimension and he won't let us into another.We should just accept we are his slaves and hope to get accepted with him.We just cannot beat him there is no hope , you cannot hope to have an existence of your own.

I equate him with the Buddhist god Mara, the Lord of Desire and Delusion. His aim is to keep us in the prison of sensual samsaric existence.

 

[JustWondering]

No, I do not believe such mythical creatures exist but I am open to the possibility.

Wow, so you think any crazy thing exists (like leprechauns and fairies) until someone rubs your nose in undeniable evidence it doesn't exist?

As for Yahweh, I believe he exists. If you want to believe he does not exist, that is your belief.

Yes, it is my belief Yahweh does not exist. That means I'm not open to the possibility, I'm not sitting on the fence about it, Yahweh definitely doesn't exist type of belief.

Strong Atheists like you have just as much faith as many Christians. You have faith their deity does NOT exist. You can not prove their deity does not exist. Can you? Therefore, you have FAITH he does not exist.

I am not the one saying invisible magical beings exist. As for faith, it takes a LOT LESS faith not to believe in leprechauns and unicorns then to believe they actually exist. If you can't understand that then well...that's more your problem than mine.

 

[buddhist]

Yes, it is my belief Yahweh does not exist. That means I'm not open to the possibility, I'm not sitting on the fence about it, Yahweh definitely doesn't exist type of belief.

IMO he exists as long as the masses direct their collective conscious attention towards his existence, and feed him with their collective mental energies.

 

[psychoslice]

I gave him his marching orders years ago, he has no power over me, for he is just a myth made to scare the people of his day

 

[JustWondering]

IMO he exists as long as the masses direct their collective conscious attention towards his existence, and feed him with their collective mental energies.

My beliefs require evidence to support them. There is no evidence for Yahweh so I don't believe. It is a straight forward belief system.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

This dimension we are now living in is ruled by abrahamic god.

That is very doubtful. How can this god be ruling us, when this god seems to be nothing more than another god in a long line of gods that were created by man in order to look and even act like man?

We cannot live our hearts desires because abrahamic god is the ultimate constricter and restrainer.

If you are LHP, as you claim to be, this should not be a problem. Unshackle yourself, live as you want to live, and tell god to **** off if you do something he doesn't like. (but again, this is doubtful, because the man god just so happens to hate the same things man hates).

 

[ThirtyThree]

Wow, so you think any crazy thing exists (like leprechauns and fairies) until someone rubs your nose in undeniable evidence it doesn't exist?

No, I do not think such creatures exist. However, I am open to the possibility of their existence.

Yes, it is my belief Yahweh does not exist. That means I'm not open to the possibility, I'm not sitting on the fence about it, Yahweh definitely doesn't exist type of belief.

You admit you believe Yahweh does not exist. Good.

I am not the one saying invisible magical beings exist. As for faith, it takes a LOT LESS faith not to believe in leprechauns and unicorns then to believe they actually exist. If you can't understand that then well...that's more your problem than mine.

I do not believe such creatures exist and never once stated I did. I lack belief in such creatures. Does that mean I claim such creatures absolutely do not exist? No. They might. I am open to the possibility of their existence.

 

[ThirtyThree]

If you are LHP, as you claim to be, this should not be a problem. Unshackle yourself, live as you want to live, and tell god to **** off if you do something he doesn't like. (but again, this is doubtful, because the man god just so happens to hate the same things man hates).

Most LHP types either are Atheists or they are Theists who simply do not believe in a certain deity. That or they demonize that deity, much like how the JoS demonizes Jehovah. First of all, I believe the Bible explains Yahweh's nature sufficiently. Ignorant demonization where Angels are painted as Christianity paints demons is not required.

Perhaps it is easier for the LHP types to not believe a judge exists? That way they can do what ever they desire without any concern of post mortem judgment? Cowards.

 

[Riverwolf]

I do not believe such creatures exist and never once stated I did. I lack belief in such creatures. Does that mean I claim such creatures absolutely do not exist? No. They might. I am open to the possibility of their existence.

Which, if I may, is the scientific way to look at things.

I'm 99% sure that leprechauns and unicorns don't exist biologically (though I understand the latter is a biological plausibility), but there's ALWAYS that 1%. Sure, I'd never bet on those odds, but to wholly discount that tiny chance, pretending that 99 = 100, is to fall into the same psychological trap of absolutism that once blinded the Church to the notion of heliocentrism.

It's possible. It's just not really worth my time, personally, to consider and investigate. But other people believing in their biological existence, or even spiritual existence, does no harm to me, so who am I to judge or look down on them for it?

 

[Thief]

This dimension we are now living in is ruled by abrahamic god.He rules this world with an iron fist namely pain and fear.We cannot live our hearts desires because abrahamic god is the ultimate constricter and restrainer.We have no option but bend before him and wish to get accepted by him or else he will torture us , make us miserable.All of our longings desires will just make it harder because we are trapped in his dimension and he won't let us into another.We should just accept we are his slaves and hope to get accepted with him.We just cannot beat him there is no hope , you cannot hope to have an existence of your own.

well...you could choose...
submit to the Almighty and be tortured by Him?
or be tortured by everyone in hell....

or maybe life in the hereafter has a place for permanent solitude
and then you can torture yourself

 

[That one dude...]

This dimension we are now living in is ruled by abrahamic god.He rules this world with an iron fist namely pain and fear.We cannot live our hearts desires because abrahamic god is the ultimate constricter and restrainer.We have no option but bend before him and wish to get accepted by him or else he will torture us , make us miserable.All of our longings desires will just make it harder because we are trapped in his dimension and he won't let us into another.We should just accept we are his slaves and hope to get accepted with him.We just cannot beat him there is no hope , you cannot hope to have an existence of your own.

Having a rough time? Sounds like you're venting.

 

[rusra02]

This dimension we are now living in is ruled by abrahamic god.He rules this world with an iron fist namely pain and fear.We cannot live our hearts desires because abrahamic god is the ultimate constricter and restrainer.We have no option but bend before him and wish to get accepted by him or else he will torture us , make us miserable.All of our longings desires will just make it harder because we are trapped in his dimension and he won't let us into another.We should just accept we are his slaves and hope to get accepted with him.We just cannot beat him there is no hope , you cannot hope to have an existence of your own.

I think the opposite is true. By trying to ignore the true God, and decide for ourselves what is good and bad, we become slaves to our own passions and desires. I see abundant evidence of God's love for us in the beautiful planet we enjoy, the delicious foods and drinks we are provided, etc. etc. I also believe Jehovah God has communicated with us his loving purpose to end mankind's suffering and even death. (Revelation 21:4) Since he created us, God knows what is best for us, IMO, and all the trouble we are in comes from our or others not obeying God as ruler.

 

[ThirtyThree]

Which, if I may, is the scientific way to look at things.

I'm 99% sure that leprechauns and unicorns don't exist biologically (though I understand the latter is a biological plausibility), but there's ALWAYS that 1%. Sure, I'd never bet on those odds, but to wholly discount that tiny chance, pretending that 99 = 100, is to fall into the same psychological trap of absolutism that once blinded the Church to the notion of heliocentrism.

It's possible. It's just not really worth my time, personally, to consider and investigate. But other people believing in their biological existence, or even spiritual existence, does no harm to me, so who am I to judge or look down on them for it?

Exactly. This is one of the things which troubles me about a lot of people who call themselves Strong Atheists. It does not seem to be enough that they have faith something does not exist, they seem offended that others have faith those things either might or do exist.

Does it matter to me if someone believes in faries? No. Their belief does not offend or otherwise disturb me. While I am reasonably sure faries do not exist, I recognize that is still my belief. They very well might exist.

 

[ThirtyThree]

Since he created us, God knows what is best for us, IMO, and all the trouble we are in comes from our or others not obeying God as ruler.

I disagree. We are sentient beings, and whether God made us that way or the Serpent brought that about through the fall is up for question. If God made us sentient, why did we not know good and evil prior to disobeying God's command of not taking from the Tree of Knowledge? Why was there even a command not to take from this tree and know good and evil?

If the Serpent was responsible, then God was planning on keeping humans ignorant? Unless you are going to claim creatures without knowledge of good and evil are sentient?

I do not believe God knows what is best for me just because he created my kind. In fact, God has made mistakes and had regrets. This proves to me God is fallible. How about I decide what is best for me? How about I decide what I desire? While it is true I am not as intelligent as God or as advanced on other levels, I will decide my own path. I will do what I desire, what fulfills me and what gives me enjoyment.

I believe that is what this whole mortal life is about, honestly. It is like a huge legal trial against God held by Lucifer. If humans choose to go our own way rather than God's, Lucifer wins the case. If humans choose God's way instead of their own, God wins the case.

What happens to humans if Lucifer wins is anyone's guess.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Perhaps it is easier for the LHP types to not believe a judge exists? That way they can do what ever they desire without any concern of post mortem judgment? Cowards.

If you are concerned about this "post mortem judgement," then it is you who are the coward for being concerned about such a thing. We on the Left do not define ourselves according to others, we are unconcerned with what others consider taboo, and we embrace the taboo as a point of development, strength, and learning. Our will be done, not god's, not yours, not your book's, mine. There is no cost too great for the privilege of owning oneself, and the Left is the embodiment of self-ownership, self-empowerment, and self-advancement. It is not for the weak, feint of heart, or those concerned with conventional morality and norms.

 

[ThirtyThree]

If you are concerned about this "post mortem judgement," then it is you who are the coward for being concerned about such a thing. We on the Left do not define ourselves according to others, we are unconcerned with what others consider taboo, and we embrace the taboo as a point of development, strength, and learning. Our will be done, not god's, not yours, not your book's, mine. There is no cost too great for the privilege of owning oneself, and the Left is the embodiment of self-ownership, self-empowerment, and self-advancement. It is not for the weak, feint of heart, or those concerned with conventional morality and norms.

I do what I desire fully knowing the consequences, actually.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I do what I desire fully knowing the consequences, actually.

Since you ask "What happens if Lucifer wins?" I doubt it. Your statements give strong indications you do mind conventional morality and norms. Why else would you think us "cowards" for not being concerned with judgement in any alleged after-life?

 

[ThirtyThree]

Since you ask "What happens if Lucifer wins?" I doubt it. Your statements give strong indications you do mind conventional morality and norms. Why else would you think us "cowards" for not being concerned with judgement in any alleged after-life?

Would you mind clarifying your statements here?