Abiogenesis or the Lord?

[It Aint Necessarily So]

My point to @F1fan was that the two options don't have to be mutually exclusive. Also, that there is conclusive evidence if neither.

OK. I understood your comment to be a request to defend the plausibility of abiogenesis. He wrote, "Abiogenesis is a plausible explanation that is founded on facts, data, and a hypothesis that can work" and you asked for evidence in support of that. I gave what I thought was a compelling argument.

Why does a Lord or God necessitate an intelligent designer?

It sounds like you're using an atypical definition for those words. They refer to an intelligent designer to most people who use them.

How can we negate the plausibility of a Lord or God when we don't even have a clue of the method of that being?

I don't think I can address that without an understanding of what those terms mean to you. And who has done that?

Maybe it used abiogenesis.

If it did, and it's aware, then it's an intelligent designer, and if it did happen, then it is certainly plausible that it could have.

Until they make life from non organic components in a lab I’ll roll with god

You'll roll with God even after that if it happens in your lifetime. That's the nature of faith. Evidence wasn't used to come to the faith-based belief, and evidence thereafter doesn't affect it. Do you really expect others to believe that there is anything that could make you stop rolling with God? Do you believe it could happen?

I got a feeling a lot of people would like to see a abiogenesis re-created in a lab just so they can say see God didn’t create life.

Then you don't understand critical thinkers or their agenda. If there is a god that created life, they want to know that.

 

[Exaltist Ethan]

I think what scientist fear is that AbioGenesis can’t even have happened in reality billions of years ago so that would prove that God would’ve had to create life. That’s why they’re so intent on doing it in a lab. I mean it’s cool. I love science but sometimes The hand of God might be needed. Haha

God created the very fabric of all scientific discoveries we know today. Why is that so hard to understand?

 

[Firenze]

Care to present the evidence?

Miller-Urey. Is there anything else you need help with?

 

[SalixIncendium]

Miller-Urey. Is there anything else you need help with?

Yes. Can you make me some dinner?

 

[Firenze]

Life was never created from non living components in a lab

And no god has ever been evidenced in the real world. I'm glad we solved this.....

 

[Firenze]

Yes. Can you make me some dinner?

If you're too incompetent to feed yourself, sure.....

 

[vulcanlogician]

I see synthetic life, life containing non standard dna if its self replicating and evolving organisms to be life. All these have been created in the laboratory. What has not been created is "life as we know it" atcg from scratch

Exactly. Life was created from extant biological components. It's gotta be "life from nonlife" to be abiogenesis.

The experiment IS progress toward the eventual abiogenesis that I think will happen in lab conditions some day.

 

[SalixIncendium]

It sounds like you're using an atypical definition for those words. They refer to an intelligent designer to most people who use them.

They refer to an intelligent designer for Abrahamic religions. There are a great many that use the term where it does not point to an intelligent designer.

I don't think I can address that without an understanding of what those terms mean to you. And who has done that?

@F1fan, which is why you and I are having this conversation.

If it did, and it's aware, then it's an intelligent designer, and if it did happen, then it is certainly plausible that it could have.

If you are dreaming and you encounter a person, did you intelligently design that person? Were you aware that you were doing it?

 

[SalixIncendium]

If you're too incompetent to feed yourself, sure.....

Why are you making the assumption that I need fed? If you would be so kind to actually get me the food, I'll gladly feed myself.

When you're finished being rude, that is. (Sorry, I made the assumption that you're not rude all the time.)

 

[Firenze]

Why are you making the assumption that I need fed? If you would be so kind to actually get me the food, I'll gladly feed myself.

When you're finished being rude, that is. (Sorry, I made the assumption that you're not rude all the time.)

When you're smarmy with your responses, you'll get smarm in return.

 

[F1fan]

God created the very fabric of all scientific discoveries we know today. Why is that so hard to understand?

Because this is not a fact-based statement/claim. Understanding comes from coherent explanations of facts and data. For example we can understand why many cultures around the world have evolved with various religions. We can understand why so many religions exist and there are massive differences among them. We can understand why there are geographic regions where certain religions are prominent. We can understand why pakistan had the be created and why the Muslims of India decided to sevarate from Hindus. We can even understand where the idea of "God as a creator" came from in the Abrahamic faiths. We can also learn about many of the over 200 creator gods in man's history, and why the creation accounts differ. The gods that created the Hawaiian Islands are very interesting. You should look into the stories.

 

[Exaltist Ethan]

Because this is not a fact-based statement/claim. Understanding comes from coherent explanations of facts and data. For example we can understand why many cultures around the world have evolved with various religions. We can understand why so many religions exist and there are massive differences among them. We can understand why there are geographic regions where certain religions are prominent. We can understand why pakistan had the be created and why the Muslims of India decided to sevarate from Hindus. We can even understand where the idea of "God as a creator" came from in the Abrahamic faiths. We can also learn about many of the over 200 creator gods in man's history, and why the creation accounts differ. The gods that created the Hawaiian Islands are very interesting. You should look into the stories.

I am not interested in powerless Gods. The God that didn't create abiogenesis or evolution has virtually of no interest to me.

 

[SalixIncendium]

When you're smarmy with your responses, you'll get smarm in return.

Yeah, nice try at blame-shifting, but I wasn’t speaking to you. You engaged me with a ‘smarmy’ response.

 

[Heyo]

In the beginning God made RNA don’t ya know? Haha

I won't debate you on the existence of gods nor on the idea that they made RNA or even how they made RNA. I'm just questioning what we could conclude from that act, assuming your premise for the sake of argument.

Is it possible that the gods disappeared after the creation of RNA?
Given the fallibility of RNA reproduction, can we conclude that the gods are far from perfect?
Could we say that humans who are able to improve on RNA/DNA are more powerful/intelligent than the gods?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Yep

How? Why doesn't the demonstration of anything else rule out God?

You seem to be claiming absolute knowledge without benefit of explaining it or showing that you do. Given that, I cannot help but have my doubts that you possess any special knowledge.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Until they make life from non organic components in a lab I’ll roll with god

What? Do you even know what "organic" means in chemistry? Your conditions are worse than unreasonable.

 

[vulcanlogician]

What? Do you even know what "organic" means in chemistry? Your conditions are worse than unreasonable.

Organic is any compound that contains carbon. Living or not.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Organic is any compound that contains carbon. Living or not.

Yes, I know. The demand that laboratory life cannot have any "organic components" was ludicrous.

 

[Jimmy]

Did abiogenesis even take place 3.5 million yrs ago?

 

[vulcanlogician]

Yes, I know. The demand that laboratory life cannot have any "organic components" was ludicrous.

This whole thread is pretty ludicrous. So the "demand about organic compounds" was fairly on theme.