Jimmy
King Phenomenon
I highly doubt abiogenesis will ever be able to be reproduced in a lab. I even doubt it took place 3.5 million years ago.
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Abiogenesis or the Lord?
- Thread starter Jimmy
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It doesn't as far as I know.
It Smells Like Teen Spirit?
Your story seems to be changing from "you know" to "you doubt". There's a big difference.
To my knowledge, definitive evidence for abiogenesis doesn't exist. Yet. We have hypotheses and a growing body of evidence, but not enough to fully test. Craig Venter is working on creating artificial life and has made some impressive advances to creating artificial cells.
What we know is that the evidence indicates an Earth without life. Then evidence of single-celled living things appearing. Then evidence of life changing and evolving over time.
This may be a recap for you. But that is an overly simplified version of the state of our knowledge on the subject.
vulcanlogician
Well-Known Member
Oh okay. I've never heard it put like that before. I guess abiogenesis has been totally refuted. Great job. You should publish a scientific paper on the subject.
Beat me to it! Drat!
Why do you think that would be the result of such a discovery.
It would only be evidence that life could arise from natural processes and says nothing for or against God or God's actions.
Exaltist Ethan
Bridging the Gap Between Believers and Skeptics
It’s more than that. Abiogenesis explains a very important part of God. It explains how God created life. God cannot create life without it. As much as I like the concept of God, the concept of creationism is so ridiculous that if that were the case life couldn’t exist to begin with. One thing leads to another, and the story of our very existence through abiogenesis is borderline magical as it is already. Creating life from non-life seems ridiculous to some, but we can argue what is life for a long time. What I do know is both carbon and water are very flexible at what they do, the very substances which all life is created from.
And there is no evidence that the Hand of God didn't use natural processes to create life from non-living matter. I see no evidence that you have any special knowledge to say one way or the other either.
It could. There is no evidence to explain how God created, but there is also no evidence that says God didn't do it with natural processes or that we cannot understand those processes.
The Bible says that God created life from non-life. It doesn't explain how or limit how.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
A lot earlier than that.
Abiogenesis is a plausible beginning, but knowing this does not lead to a solution to human cruelty. It plus evolution certainly explains cruelty. Those two things are an explanation for our cruelty. What is another explanation? Is there a better one?
Why does cruelty in me deceive me and try to make me think that it is heroic to torment someone who I judge to be evil? When I watch a film and see the 'Bad guy' get punished, why do I feel gratified at his suffering? Am I a bad person?
Abiogenesis does not have any answer, but it doesn't conflict with this. There is no conflict between my natural cruelty and abiogenesis.
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Think about it
I don't know of any reason that finding a means of abiogenesis in the lab would rule out the existence of God. It doesn't even mean that what is discovered would be the form that it took in our natural history.
Does evolution require that life arise by a specific means?
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Say what
I think you will find that abuse of the funny rating still applies even with the change in format. I suggest you find another means to be dismissive and superior.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I did. It appears that you have nothing.
Exaltist Ethan
Bridging the Gap Between Believers and Skeptics
The Omniverse contains all realities, so it is possible that a myriad of those realities has a being that is the “king” of that reality, and one of those “kings” could be YHWH described in the Jewish Tanakh. I mean, anything is possible, right? The thing is, abiogenesis can be tested. If God suddenly created life, there is no way of testing that. However, if God created life in the past, why doesn’t he do it now and in the future? The story of abiogenesis is nothing short of miraculous. The story of Creationism is silly and trite, and not taken seriously by most scientists. Together abiogenesis and evolution explains more than it disproves. I simply don’t believe there is a “king” of this Universe (not yet - anyway) and to create people the way it does with Adam and Eve in the Bible it would require a good amount of some magical forces we can’t prove or disprove with science.