Abolition of Alcohol

[TransmutingSoul]

They're your beliefs, you don't get to force them onto others.

No it's not, it would be forcing your personal opinion on others. If we go down that road where does it end?

It is really ludicrous to suggest a RF post is forcing an opinion.

People do not even have to read the post. People do not have to consider anything it offers.

Please if you choose go have a drink, take the drugs, it's all your choice.

Regards Tony

 

[ppp]

I unfortunately live in a Nation that pride themselves on getting drunk, and that mentality is expanding as the world is locked down.

This is substantively incorrect. While there are people who pride themselves on getting drunk, your claim that "pride" is the reason for increased drinking during lock down is dismissive, unempathetic and irrational. The reason for increased drinking during lock down, is despair, isolation, and existential ennui.

I long for the day when the business of Alcohol is seen for what it has become, a killer of humanity.

It is a dangerous drug. But is that actually the reason you are against it? Or is it just a stalking horse?

So this OP shows my stance, that alcoholic beverages are not needed they are a drug of choice and all recreational drugs need to be Abolished. America tried, so what will it take?

Why? Not all recreation drugs are addictive or dangerous.
And out of curiosity - and I have no expectations here - do you support mandatory distance learning until the pandemic crisis is managed?

What is your stance, what is your view?

All drugs should be decriminalized and addiction should be treated as a public health issue where physicians prescribe the response and treatment.

We should be creating a planet of people given the tools to assume personal responsibility for their bodies and their choices. Nanny states are tried and failed. Sooo many times.

 

[ppp]

Great, education I can totally get behind. The choice is up to them. Prohibition is talking away their choice. And it does not work. Education does. Prohibition does not.

Absolutely!

 

[John53]

It is really ludicrous to suggest a RF post is forcing an opinion.

People do not even have to read the post. People do not have to consider anything it offers.

Please if you choose go have a drink, take the drugs, it's all your choice.

Regards Tony

I was responding to your statement. I'm under no illusion that you have the power to enforce the statement.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

your claim that "pride" is the reason for increased drinking during lock down is dismissive, unempathetic and irrational.

That was you claim, not mine.

Thus the rest of the post will most likely reflect that incorrect statement.

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

If you don't want a drink then don't drink, you don't get to tell others how to live their lives. There are already laws controlling the consumption of alcohol, and a person is as culpable for what they do when they have had a drink, as when they have not. How about a ban on religion, it's done far more harm and killed far more people than alcohol?

But it's from God. And God wants his people to spread the word. And about religion... Baha'is agree with you...

‘Abdu’l-Bahá said “ If religion becomes a cause of dislike, hatred and division, it were better to be without it, and to withdraw from such a religion would be a truly religious act ”. Also, He further wrote: “ Any religion which is not a cause of love and unity is no religion.​

So, from this point forward any religion that does not bring love and unity to the world is hereby banned and forbidden. Now lets' drink to that.

To quote WC Fields, "Once in the wilds of Afghanistan we lost our corkscrew. It was Hell, and we had to live on nothing but food and water for weeks."

How did he survive?

I'm drinking an Australian Shiraz at the minute, with my dinner. I had a small vodka loosener beforehand. I've cleared away the dishes and not to decide, more wine or another vodka? Wine I think...

Enjoy it while you can. Before the Baha'i police raid your place.

But actually, Baha'is keep telling me not to worry. These laws are only for Baha'is. I wonder, how many Baha'is take a little snort once in a while? Or light one up after a tough day?

If they are, and I would suspect that they are, then the Baha'i Faith is just another hypocritical religion that has a bunch of laws and can't or doesn't even enforce them on themselves. But, as other religions have done, are showing signs of preaching their beliefs to everyone.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

If they are, and I would suspect that they are, then the Baha'i Faith is just another hypocritical religion that has a bunch of laws and can't or doesn't even enforce them on themselves. But, as other religions have done, are showing signs of preaching their beliefs to everyone

People need to be made aware of the choices.

People will choose their response to such choices.

Most likely time to say goodbye to RF.

Regards Tony

 

[Sheldon]

It is really ludicrous to suggest a RF post is forcing an opinion.

People do not even have to read the post. People do not have to consider anything it offers.

Please if you choose go have a drink, take the drugs, it's all your choice.

Regards Tony

"Abolition of Alcohol"

 

[Windwalker]

What are the laws controlling the consumption of alcohol?

I wonder why Law enforcement, taxi drivers and a lot of spouses fear certain nights of the week.

Regards Tony

There are laws against drunk driving. There are laws against spousal abuse. Drinking alcohol does not necessarily lead to either of these for the majority of human beings.

May I ask why you feel strongly about making it unavailable for everyone in the world, because you have personally have sworn it off? There are plenty of recovering alcoholics that have no problem with allowing others the freedom to drink. Bill Wilson, the founder of AA didn't think that was appropriate. The Baha'i faith itself doesn't even suggest that. Why do you personally, wish prohibition for the whole world. Are you still tempted by it?

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I think we should focus on providing adequate healthcare, mental health services, and community support before fighting drug abuse with more criminalization.

 

[ppp]

That was you claim, not mine.

Thus the rest of the post will most likely reflect that incorrect statement.

Regards Tony

While it may not be what you intended, it's definitely what the common usage of the words that you typed in convered,.
I could diagram your sentence if it will help.

Or you could just acknowledge that we are human and our communication is not perfect, and rewording is sometimes necessary for effective communication.
And no. The rest of my post did not depend on the first statement.

I long for the day when the business of Alcohol is seen for what it has become, a killer of humanity.

It is a dangerous drug. But is that actually the reason you are against it? Or is it just a stalking horse?

So this OP shows my stance, that alcoholic beverages are not needed they are a drug of choice and all recreational drugs need to be Abolished. America tried, so what will it take?

Why? Not all recreation drugs are addictive or dangerous.
And out of curiosity - and I have no expectations here - do you support mandatory distance learning until the pandemic crisis is managed?

What is your stance, what is your view?

All drugs should be decriminalized and addiction should be treated as a public health issue where physicians prescribe the response and treatment.

We should be creating a planet of people given the tools to assume personal responsibility for their bodies and their choices. Nanny states are tried and failed. Sooo many times.

 

[Sheldon]

All drugs should be decriminalized and addiction should be treated as a public health issue where physicians prescribe the response and treatment.

We should be creating a planet of people given the tools to assume personal responsibility for their bodies and their choices. Nanny states are tried and failed. Sooo many times.

I concur wholeheartedly.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I see the perceived enjoyment of drinking alcohol, will be replaced by a greater joy of the choice not to drink alcohol.

Regards Tony

Fat chance of that. Sobriety is a bore, and a pain in of itself in certain circumstances.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Fat chance of that. Sobriety is a bore, and a pain in of itself in certain circumstances.

The video posted above offerers a different frame of reference.

Regards Tony

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The video posted above offerers a different frame of reference.

Regards Tony

Video?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Video?

Abolition of Alcohol

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Abolition of Alcohol

Okay, I watched it. Good for them, if that's what they feel is right for them. It's not like I don't know that sober living is a thing.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Okay, I watched it. Good for them, if that's what they feel is right for them. It's not like I don't know that sober living is a thing.

Personally I see that is the only way, it comes back to our choices. It has to be our choice.

I did that back in 1984, and I have never needed a drink of alcohol since then to enjoy life to the fullest. I also appreciate that will not be everyone's choice.

Regards Tony

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Personally I see that is the only way, it comes back to our choices. It has to be our choice.

I did that back in 1984, and I have never needed a drink of alcohol since then to enjoy life to the fullest. I also appreciate that will not be everyone's choice.

Regards Tony

It's the only way for you. I don't understand why you think it needs to be the way for everyone. It's why I reject the requirement of total abstinence that you find in AA, for example. (AA functions much like cult in many respects, and I've gotten into arguments with AA members over it - at a mental hospital of all places). It just doesn't work for everyone and there's other options out there.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

It's the only way for you. I don't understand why you think it needs to be the way for everyone. It's why I reject the requirement of total abstinence that you find in AA, for example. (AA functions much like cult in many respects, and I've gotten into arguments with AA members over it - at a mental hospital of all places). It just doesn't work for everyone and there's other options out there.

There is a lot of collateral damage from Alcohol consumption, more than we yet consider.

I see we will consider this in the future and thus do what is best for all.

Regards Tony