Abolition of Alcohol

[Saint Frankenstein]

I see the opposite effect, I see there is no good, but a perceived good. IMHO.

Regards Tony

Well, whatever you're seeing isn't the reality or not the whole of it. Not by a long shot.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Well, whatever you're seeing isn't the reality or not the whole of it. Not by a long shot.

The best thing I have ever read is about Frame of References.

Truth is relative, so we can agree my Truth is not one you have embraced, nor me, yours.

All the best Regards Tony

 

[Truthseeker]

Alcohol in moderation is OK. However, some of you may have inborn conditions making it impossible for you to use alcohol in moderation.
Not only inborn conditions, but psychological and environmental conditions.

 

[Truthseeker]

We were told that marijuana was highly addictive, and other chemical drugs caused irreparable genetic damage to chromosomes and brain damage, and that we'd all get violent and irrational from these evils.

You didn't have to try it yourself to figure it was a lie. You only had to observe others who did try it, or use your own common sense.

I have nothing to do with that. I don't believe that myself. Just look it up online and that myth would be dispelled.

Most people tried booze just out of curiosity, and nothing else. Quite often it was a supervised experiment with an older person staying sober to take care of you should things go awry.

Just one time? Is that really enough?

Well, this is going nowhere. I am getting some really negative remarks here. I don't intend to elicit that kind of response. Purex really got negative.

 

[ecco]

Truth is relative, so we can agree my Truth is not one you have embraced

Unwarranted optimism is not truth by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Unwarranted optimism is not truth by any stretch of the imagination.

Optimistic views combined with action, build this world, pessimism with inaction, or worse rejection of the optimistic efforts, destroy this world.

As many millions around the world strive towards this optimistic view, I see the world can embrace it, eventually, after a lot more negative pessimism based criticism.

Regards Tony

 

[joelr]

Not sure you have considered what you offered. But now you have posted that comment, that offers many people in the future will fall prey to the same addiction and destroy lives an families, a comment that really reflects the purpose of this OP, how many would happily give up their couple of responsible drinks, to help all those future victims out?

Regards Tony

But far far more people will die from obesity and poor diet leading to heart problems, stroke, blood pressure, diabetes and several other illnesses. So should food companies be forced to abolish less needed junk type foods, all fast food be regulated, no more sweets, added sugar, sodium and so on? Or would you recommend better education so people can learn how to be healthy and occasionally eat fun foods to eat?
Some will still become food addicts however. I'm betting you don't care and would never want this type of policy put onto the food industry. I'm betting you would say we need better education.
which is what you would probable say about alcohol. Except Bahai are forbidden to take drugs or alcohol. Why is it when people are looking to eradicate a freedom it's always a religious ideology.
How would you feel if another religion came into power and started banning things you enjoy because it's part of their theology?
No one should have to stop having a beer after work because another person might develop an addiction. There is no argument there. What there is is religious oppression. You and your religious folks can sit around and not drink and feel superior to others and wish your laws were taken to become state laws. The country was founded on that never happening.
People would still make alcohol, millions of dollars would be spent on chasing criminals, jailing criminals, actually billions of dollars. It would create so much crime and opposition, it's an absurd idea. Giving up a drink after work would mean thousands of other serious drinkers are going to become criminals buying black market beer. You wouldn't be helping anyone? Never mind the riots and civil unrest. You want to see riots, you would. This would create countless more problems.
Also it's well known that a glass of wine with dinner is considered healthy.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

How would you feel if another religion came into power and started banning things you enjoy because it's part of their theology

So your vote in no.

Regards Tony

 

[ajay0]

This to me is an important topic and will eventually be a topic discussed around the world because of the dire consequences this drug of choice inflicts upon the individual, the family, the community, the Nation and on to the entire body of humanity.

I unfortunately live in a Nation that pride themselves on getting drunk, and that mentality is expanding as the world is locked down.

I long for the day when the business of Alcohol is seen for what it has become, a killer of humanity.

So this OP shows my stance, that alcoholic beverages are not needed they are a drug of choice and all recreational drugs need to be Abolished. America tried, so what will it take?

What is your stance, what is your view?

Edit I added this so the intent of this OP is known, as my wording might not have shown that is the case.

"So this OP is all about choice and this OP is to explore why we would choose to abstain, if there was no law, or if we may again consider that a law is needed."

Regards Tony

In Hinduism and Buddhism, alcohol and drugs is considered to be intoxicants which blur the mind and quality of meditation. Worse, it produce addictions which are but cravings or strong desires, that further strengthen the ego and distance oneself from the Self or Buddha nature within.

It is the lack of access to free spiritual bliss and joy natural within oneself that brings ones to artificial intoxicants like alcohol and drugs to obliterate the tense ego for the time being. So the interest in alcohol and external intoxicants actually veil a spiritual urge for the bliss available within oneself.

There is an interesting article by Sadhguru on substance abuse in this regard...

You can be stoned and alert at the same time

If your alertness and intelligence are not compromised, inebriation is a great way to be. Another word for this condition is simply meditation. Instead of getting drunk, if people meditated, they could be stoned and alert at the same time. They would also turn phenomenally productive because nothing would feel burdensome any more. The reason people want to get drunk every weekend is that they want to shed the burdens of the week. If they tried just a little meditation, they could stay drunk all week long! ~ Sadhguru

 

[TransmutingSoul]

One of the teachings of the Baha'i Faith is not partaking of Alcohol.

The bounties of taking this path are numerous, but I hear people say it can not or will not happen. I am optimistic, I see we can once and for all stop partaking of alcoholic beverages.

This story shows that it is possible, that the trend of people giving up alcohol is increasing.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Good to see the trend is also happening in the UK amongst the younger generations.

More than a quarter of young adults in the UK do not drink alcohol – in data

Regards Tony

 

[IndigoChild5559]

This to me is an important topic and will eventually be a topic discussed around the world because of the dire consequences this drug of choice inflicts upon the individual, the family, the community, the Nation and on to the entire body of humanity.

I unfortunately live in a Nation that pride themselves on getting drunk, and that mentality is expanding as the world is locked down.

I long for the day when the business of Alcohol is seen for what it has become, a killer of humanity.

So this OP shows my stance, that alcoholic beverages are not needed they are a drug of choice and all recreational drugs need to be Abolished. America tried, so what will it take?

What is your stance, what is your view?

Edit I added this so the intent of this OP is known, as my wording might not have shown that is the case.

"So this OP is all about choice and this OP is to explore why we would choose to abstain, if there was no law, or if we may again consider that a law is needed."

Regards Tony

Alcohol has its plusses and minuses. Yes, it is connected with things like bar room brawls and domestic abuse and there are those who still drive drunk, even with the laws against it. But alcohol also take the edge off. It assists us in relaxing and destressing. It is culturally attached to celebration. What would the world be like if no one ever toasted the Bride? In Judaism, it just wouldn't be Shabbat without kiddish. In Christianity, you have the communion rite.

There are those people who, due to their biology and environment growing up, simply have a weakness for Alcohol. They develop a deadly addiction. For these few people, I would recommend that they have 100% sobriety, since "one drink is too many a thousand not enough."

But for everyone else -- drink, drink in moderation, drink responsibly. Enjoy the fruit of life.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

But for everyone else -- drink, drink in moderation, drink responsibly. Enjoy the fruit of life.

I can offer that one can enjoy the fruits of life without alcohol.

After all being doing that for 40 years now.

Regards Tony

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I can offer that one can enjoy the fruits of life without alcohol.

After all being doing that for 40 years now.

Regards Tony

And one can enjoy the fruits of life with an IPA, glass of wine or cocktail. Judaism and Christianity have nothing against that. There's Christian monasteries that are well-known for their brewing skills. Jesus apparently loved His wine. He turned water into wine at the wedding at Cana to keep the party going, after all.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

And one can enjoy the fruits of life with an IPA, glass of wine or cocktail. Judaism and Christianity have nothing against that. There's Christian monasteries that are well-known for their brewing skills. Jesus apparently loved His wine. He turned water into wine at the wedding at Cana to keep the party going, after all.

I see the perceived enjoyment of drinking alcohol, will be replaced by a greater joy of the choice not to drink alcohol.

Regards Tony

 

[Spirit of Light]

I see the perceived enjoyment of drinking alcohol, will be replaced by a greater joy of the choice not to drink alcohol.

Regards Tony

Fully agree with you
The one time in life I become drunk (age 20) i felt so utterly stupid after... and I had not even done something wrong to others or my self.

 

[John53]

It's possible to enjoy an alcoholic beverage without becoming drunk.

 

[Spirit of Light]

It's possible to enjoy an alcoholic beverage without becoming drunk.

Can I have a non alcohol beer please

 

[TransmutingSoul]

It's possible to enjoy an alcoholic beverage without becoming drunk.

That is not the trend with a lot of people, they can not stop at a few.

Regards Tony

 

[exchemist]

Fully agree with you
The one time in life I become drunk (age 20) i felt so utterly stupid after... and I had not even done something wrong to others or my self.

This, I think betrays the usual error in thinking of so many teetotallers. You present a false antithesis: either abstaining, or getting drunk. The majority of us are perfectly capable of enjoying a drink without getting drunk.