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Abolition of Alcohol

Recreational Alcohol consumption Abolished?

  • The harm of alcohol consumption is not applicable

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    40

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
How do they find out the warnings were BS for most of them, if some heed the warnings and don't start to drink? Shouldn't education on the facts be tried and see what happens? Why give up before any efforts are made?

We were told that marijuana was highly addictive, and other chemical drugs caused irreparable genetic damage to chromosomes and brain damage, and that we'd all get violent and irrational from these evils.

You didn't have to try it yourself to figure it was a lie. You only had to observe others who did try it, or use your own common sense.

Most people tried booze just out of curiosity, and nothing else. Quite often it was a supervised experiment with an older person staying sober to take care of you should things go awry.
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
We were told that marijuana was highly addictive, and other chemical drugs caused irreparable genetic damage to chromosomes and brain damage, and that we'd all get violent and irrational from these evils.

You didn't have to try it yourself to figure it was a lie. You only had to observe others who did try it, or use your own common sense.

Most people tried booze just out of curiosity, and nothing else. Quite often it was a supervised experiment with an older person staying sober to take care of you should things go awry.

Yet there is Marijuana induced schizophrenia which many suffer from. Also it is a know issue for impairment from operating machines and vehicles etc etc.

My son ended up in prison from induced schizophrenia and the actions he carried out resulting from its use.

A work colleague who I did my Professional Golfers apprenticeship with ended up addicted to marijuana and ended up a lost person uncapable of working, though a good friend tried to employ him many times.

This is another foul unessential unnecessary drug that for recreational purposes is not needed, it is great for medicinal pain relief, but it can be manufactured in a way that is healthy and beneficial for the user.

There is no good case, for any drug or Alcohol, to be used for a personal recreational high. The harm far outweighs any recreational perceived benefit.

We are not trying to eliminate medicinal uses.

Regards Tony
 

ecco

Veteran Member
My son ended up in prison from induced schizophrenia and the actions he carried out resulting from its use.

A work colleague who I did my Professional Golfers apprenticeship with ended up addicted to marijuana and ended up a lost person uncapable of working, though a good friend tried to employ him many times.

If you want to play the anecdote games, I know dozens of people who have smoked pot their entire adult lives with no deleterious side effects

There is no good case, for any drug or Alcohol, to be used for a personal recreational high. The harm far outweighs any recreational perceived benefit.

You have not been able to make a good case for alcohol or marijuana or any other substance to be made illegal for use by adults.

Do-Gooder intentions are not solutions, they are the problem. Prohibition was far worse than the use ao alcohol. Maybe you need to read up on what happened during Prohibition.
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
If you want to play the anecdote games, I know dozens of people who have smoked pot their entire adult lives with no deleterious side effects



You have not been able to make a good case for alcohol or marijuana or any other substance to be made illegal for use by adults.

Do-Gooder intentions are not solutions, they are the problem. Prohibition was far worse than the use ao alcohol. Maybe you need to read up on what happened during Prohibition.

Oh dear.

Regards Tony
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
If you want to play the anecdote games, I know dozens of people who have smoked pot their entire adult lives with no deleterious side effects



You have not been able to make a good case for alcohol or marijuana or any other substance to be made illegal for use by adults.

Do-Gooder intentions are not solutions, they are the problem. Prohibition was far worse than the use ao alcohol. Maybe you need to read up on what happened during Prohibition.

Excellent points. The word risky is often misused by anti- anything people, by capitalists, etc. Here's an example: taking
drug X ______ doubles your risk for catching toenailitus. What they fail to say is than the current risk is 1 person in a billion, and taking X makes it 2 in a billion.

One of the greatest risks anyone can take it to get into a car, sober or not. Why aren't people suggesting that?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
There are various activities that I would like to see made illegal due to the harmful effect that they have on others. But I know that I am not a dictator when it comes to what is right or wrong. A person that is an alcoholic can be rather pathetic or even dangerous. I know one alcoholic that can work, if he is sober. He is not the best of workers, there is quite a bit of Dunning Kruger in any of his activities, but if he drinks the slightest upset will turn him if not violent at least into a person that threatens violence. For him personally alcohol should be illegal. In fact it probably is right now. He is in some sort of supervised release at this time. Unfortunately though legally an adult he really is not mentally one. I am afraid that he will reoffend at the first chance and go back into custody. But the fact that some people cannot handle alcohol, or gambling, or various other "adult" recreations does not mean that the rest of us cannot do so. One cannot let one's own weaknesses be used as a basis of laws for everyone else.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
There are various activities that I would like to see made illegal due to the harmful effect that they have on others. But I know that I am not a dictator when it comes to what is right or wrong. A person that is an alcoholic can be rather pathetic or even dangerous. I know one alcoholic that can work, if he is sober. He is not the best of workers, there is quite a bit of Dunning Kruger in any of his activities, but if he drinks the slightest upset will turn him if not violent at least into a person that threatens violence. For him personally alcohol should be illegal. In fact it probably is right now. He is in some sort of supervised release at this time. Unfortunately though legally an adult he really is not mentally one. I am afraid that he will reoffend at the first chance and go back into custody. But the fact that some people cannot handle alcohol, or gambling, or various other "adult" recreations does not mean that the rest of us cannot do so. One cannot let one's own weaknesses be used as a basis of laws for everyone else.

Lots of individuals really shouldn't be doing lots of things. There are people who simply aren't cut out to be safe drivers. Sometimes they are screened out by the road test, and sometimes not. Those that aren't can be on the road, and we're all risking our lives should we encounter them. Some of these folks could well be the anti - alcohol crowd. Who knows where trouble lays?

So we take the middle ground, and hope for the best. Legislation based on how a certain group feels about it doesn't work. We take in all the data and try to do what is reasonable.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Yet there is Marijuana induced schizophrenia which many suffer from. Also it is a know issue for impairment from operating machines and vehicles etc etc.

My son ended up in prison from induced schizophrenia and the actions he carried out resulting from its use.

A work colleague who I did my Professional Golfers apprenticeship with ended up addicted to marijuana and ended up a lost person uncapable of working, though a good friend tried to employ him many times.

This is another foul unessential unnecessary drug that for recreational purposes is not needed, it is great for medicinal pain relief, but it can be manufactured in a way that is healthy and beneficial for the user.

There is no good case, for any drug or Alcohol, to be used for a personal recreational high. The harm far outweighs any recreational perceived benefit.

We are not trying to eliminate medicinal uses.

Regards Tony

Would you be in favor of banning benzodiazepines?

Xanax Addiction And Abuse
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
All Medicinal use is great.

I see the OP is clear, that it is unnecessary recreational use we need to consider.

Regards Tony

Despite the fact that some 'medicine' causes a ton of harm. Gotcha. Treatment for benzo withdrawal is expensive to society and can cause problems in the medical industry as addicts make up fake prescriptions.

There are hundreds of drugs. Legal and illegal is one way they're classified. This classification has a ton of determining factors. One that is overlooked is lobbying by drug companies. Another is politically motivated, or racism. Marijuana was considered a 'black' drug. Hashish was considered an Arab drug. Opium, and the derivatives were considered Asian drugs. Cocaine was originally a South American indigenous drug. Alcohol, of course is the white man's drug.

Drug companies are often accused of creating a disease to suit the drug that they develop.

Hence we have situations like the drug Atenolol which is used to treat blood pressure having the same net effect as a clove of garlic a day, although garlic has less side effects. Modern western medicine largely ignores Asian herbalism, Indian ayurveda, and tons of indigenous herbs all over the planet. They're, in large, puppeteers of the form of capitalism under the disguise of the pharmaceutical industry.

Viewing things in black and white is potentially harmful to the individual. My mother was addicted to Valium, had ulcers, got Alzheimer's, and passed earlier than she may have. Had a certain doctor not been the drug pusher that he was, who knows how many more years she may have had a healthy life.

I think we should be looking more closely, doing the research, allowing for individual differences, and more. The easy way out is to say if it's medicinal, it's good.
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
Despite the fact that some 'medicine' causes a ton of harm. Gotcha. Treatment for benzo withdrawal is expensive to society and can cause problems in the medical industry as addicts make up fake prescriptions.

There are hundreds of drugs. Legal and illegal is one way they're classified. This classification has a ton of determining factors. One that is overlooked is lobbying by drug companies. Another is politically motivated, or racism. Marijuana was considered a 'black' drug. Hashish was considered an Arab drug. Opium, and the derivatives were considered Asian drugs. Cocaine was originally a South American indigenous drug. Alcohol, of course is the white man's drug.

Drug companies are often accused of creating a disease to suit the drug that they develop.

Hence we have situations like the drug Atenolol which is used to treat blood pressure having the same net effect as a clove of garlic a day, although garlic has less side effects. Modern western medicine largely ignores Asian herbalism, Indian ayurveda, and tons of indigenous herbs all over the planet. They're, in large, puppeteers of the form of capitalism under the disguise of the pharmaceutical industry.

Viewing things in black and white is potentially harmful to the individual. My mother was addicted to Valium, had ulcers, got Alzheimer's, and passed earlier than she may have. Had a certain doctor not been the drug pusher that he was, who knows how many more years she may have had a healthy life.

I think we should be looking more closely, doing the research, allowing for individual differences, and more. The easy way out is to say if it's medicinal, it's good.

I see that the misuse of prescription drugs is another topic.

Also the quality of the Medical practitioners dispersing prescription drugs is another topic.

Also the Science of Drug making is another topic, and;

Actually, all that was offered does not address if recreational use of Alcohol or drugs can be eventually abolished.

Regards Tony
 

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
Alcohol in moderation is OK. However, some of you may have inborn conditions making it impossible for you to use alcohol in moderation.

Alcohol has probably been what's made western culture selfish, I'd argue. It promotes property rights, monogamy, general ownership, conflict, and a general narrowing of the mind. Makes people want to act out impulsively, which is rarely ever right. And then enter in our recent affair with caffeine, goosing us into useless production. I might argue that these substances have divorced us from nature
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Where has that got us?

What benefits can you offer that the use improves our families and communities?

Regards Tony
Stress reduction, pain relief, mood regulation, heightened creative thinking and introspection, heightened ability to enjoy art, heightened libido and pleasure, etc. When it comes to psychedelics, that is.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I see that the misuse of prescription drugs is another topic.

Also the quality of the Medical practitioners dispersing prescription drugs is another topic.

Also the Science of Drug making is another topic, and;

Actually, all that was offered does not address if recreational use of Alcohol or drugs can be eventually abolished.

Regards Tony
It can never be abolished because people can make it. Simple as that. Not unless you want some brutal dictatorship that totally controls the lives of all its citizens. Really no different than trying to abolish water.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Alcohol has probably been what's made western culture selfish, I'd argue. It promotes property rights, monogamy, general ownership, conflict, and a general narrowing of the mind. Makes people want to act out impulsively, which is rarely ever right. And then enter in our recent affair with caffeine, goosing us into useless production. I might argue that these substances have divorced us from nature
That's quite a stretch. o_O
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
Stress reduction, pain relief, mood regulation, heightened creative thinking and introspection, heightened ability to enjoy art, heightened libido and pleasure, etc. When it comes to psychedelics, that is.

I see the opposite effect, I see there is no good, but a perceived good. IMHO.

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
It can never be abolished because people can make it. Simple as that. Not unless you want some brutal dictatorship that totally controls the lives of all its citizens. Really no different than trying to abolish water.

That is what this OP was about, if it can be and if so how.

So you answered No I would assume.

Regards Tony
 
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