Abortion Debate (US)

[SkepticThinker]

Using that paradigm, mentally ill people can be shot on sight. .

Um no.

"Mentally ill" people have fully developed brains and are capable of cognition. Blastocysts/zygotes/fetuses do not.

Why do you insist on making these silly comparisons?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Um no.

"Mentally ill" people have fully developed brains and are capable of cognition. Blastocysts/zygotes/fetuses do not.

Why do you insist on making these silly comparisons?

With a variance in regards to normal. I know, since I am one of those.

 

[SkepticThinker]

With a variance in regards to normal. I know, since I am one of those.

I have PTSD, anxiety disorder and panic disorder. So I guess I'm mentally ill.
I am fully capable of processing and acquiring knowledge and understanding through thought, experience and the senses.
Blastocysts/zygotes/fetuses are not capable of these things, and so I find the comparison to be absurd.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I have PTSD, anxiety disorder and panic disorder. So I guess I'm mentally ill.
I am fully capable of processing and acquiring knowledge and understanding through thought, experience and the senses.
Blastocysts/zygotes/fetuses are not capable of these things, and so I find the comparison to be absurd.

Yeah, I am like you, but some of our tribe do not have full developed brains and full cognition.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yeah, I am like you, but some of our tribe do not have full developed brains and full cognition.

I supposed that is true. But they are actually born, so there's that too.

 

[Kenny]

About your understanding of it, at least.


The part where you denied the bodily autonomy of the pregnant person.

sounds like a personal issue to me.

 

[Kenny]

No, that was you, drawing an analogy of a pregnant person having "invite[d] a person to enter into your house."

Just as consent to, say, going on a date isn't consent to sex, consent to sex isn't consent to pregnancy.

Do you deny the importance of consent across the board, or do you only deny it for women?

Before we deal with anomalies, we will have to first have a general principle. It is you custom to accentuate an anomaly and then make that the general principle.

 

[Kenny]

Because it is not your goal post nor mine. As long as your are the owner of all goal posts, this will continue.

but then you are taking what I said and took it out of context.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

but then you are taking what I said and took it out of context.

There is no one context when there are several people, several understandings, several behaviours and a complex world of even more factors.

You choose one framing. I choose another. That is what happened.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Um no.

"Mentally ill" people have fully developed brains and are capable of cognition. Blastocysts/zygotes/fetuses do not.

Why do you insist on making these silly comparisons?

Can seriously mentally ill people take care of themselves or decide if they should live? Nope.

 

[Wildswanderer]

And did you apologize?

For what?

 

[Wildswanderer]

Yeah, that is one possible social construct. Or for my tribe of "crazy" people be locked up. I know.

I don't have the Objective Truth to this.

Can you say: "Slippery slope."?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Can seriously mentally ill people take care of themselves or decide if they should live? Nope.

Nor can they control how normal people force them to live, but that is not a problem because normal is the universal standard for a good, healthy and productive life.
Don't start with mentally ill people, unless you are one. I am one and for that I am not nice.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Can you say: "Slippery slope."?

Can you say individuality? There are no correct answers and there are more sets of factors than yours or mine.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Nor can they control how normal people force them to live, but that is not a problem because normal is the universal standard for a good, healthy and productive life.
Don't start with mentally ill people, unless you are one. I am one and for that I am not nice.

I don't know what that means.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

For what?

For the ideas you expressed in post #23: that we should be okay with denying our mothers' humanity in favour of our own self-interest.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Can you say individuality? There are no correct answers and there are more sets of factors than yours or mine.

So killing people is ok in certain situations?
Innocent people?

 

[Wildswanderer]

For the ideas you expressed in post #23: that we should be okay with denying our mothers' humanity in favour of our own self-interest.

My mom was against abortion.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So killing people is ok in certain situations?
Innocent people?

Not a "castle doctrine" aficionado, I take it.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I don't know what that means.

No, and that can be a problem for my kind.