Atomist
I love you.
That sounds like a personal problem... incidentally I don't think the public agrees with you here since condoms, birth control, etc exists.
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Abortion
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McBell
Unbound
Not to mention abortion, the morning after pill, vasectomies, hysterectomies, and of course. the ever popular save all that anti-choice personnel favor: adoption.
Slightly Educated
Learner
Thank you for adding adoption.
and "That sounds like a personal problem..."
Really?
-Respectfully
Slightly Educated
and "That sounds like a personal problem..."
Really?
-Respectfully
Slightly Educated
Atomist
I love you.
Yes adoption is a potential solution... except that a lot of children DON'T get adopted... and it still doesn't negate the fact that the women can choose not to allow her body to be used against her will for 9 months
McBell
Unbound
Do you actually know anything about the Adoption Business?
Slightly Educated
Learner
sadly no, as my name suggests i'm only slightly educated. But I feel its a better option than death, or not existing, whichever it is
I fear I must retire (I need my sleep), I hope to continue debating with you genlemen in the marrow.
I fear I must retire (I need my sleep), I hope to continue debating with you genlemen in the marrow.
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Atomist
I love you.
The thing with abortion is
1) just because you don't think someone should have sex if they don't want children it doesn't mean everyone agrees with you.
2) Just because you think like starts at conception that doesn't mean everyone agrees with you.
3) Just because you think that a fetus should have the right to be a human that doesn't mean everyone agrees with you
So why should you be allowed to force your morals on someone else when someone having an abortion doesn't affect you outside of your holy book disapproves.
1) just because you don't think someone should have sex if they don't want children it doesn't mean everyone agrees with you.
2) Just because you think like starts at conception that doesn't mean everyone agrees with you.
3) Just because you think that a fetus should have the right to be a human that doesn't mean everyone agrees with you
So why should you be allowed to force your morals on someone else when someone having an abortion doesn't affect you outside of your holy book disapproves.
Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
Can tapeworms feel pain? Can they suffer? Regardless, they are freeloaders inside the human digestive tract. They're socialists!!!!!!
Atomist
I love you.
so your saying if tapeworms can feel pain and can suffer then they should not be removed... so a fetus is a freeloader inside a uterus.
Why, of course. Do you happen to disagree? If so, why?
Surely you recognize that most sex is not done in order to conceive?
And you find that wrong because...?
Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
Technically, but I would not comapre a fetus to a tapeworm.
Atomist
I love you.
"killing anything sentient is cruel for a different reason"
So you have another standard... besides fetuses can't feel pain until after the 23 week or so... and like 90% of abortions are in the first trimester where the nervous system hasn't even developed
I wonder how many of the people who oppose abortion also abhor engaging in wars. If it is wrong to kill a fetus that never had a social life, surely it is far more wrong to go out of one's way to purposely kill people that often have families of their own.
Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
I agree.
But unfortunately, war is easier than peace. Easier to destroy than to create.
Slightly Educated
Learner
To summerize your three points, its quite evident that few agree with the "Holy Book" beliefs, atleast 3 people have posted and disagree with me. As for my forcing my morals on people, I apoligize, that wasn't my goal. Just wanted some friendly debate without leaving my comfy chair.
The reason, aside from the bible which I assume hardly any of you recognize as a legitimate recource, is that I honestly believe that every human life present past and future is worth saving. Aborting babies does effect me, indirectly and directly. Imagine (not a serious proposition) if one of the babies that has been aborted would have grown up to cure cancer? Or what if it becomes so commonplace that my children dont think twice about it? (again totaly fictitous here)
-on an unrelated note
By your earlier reasoning none of us has the right to live before that 23 week period because fetus' use the womans body without her consent in the case of an abortion, correct?
-Respectfully
Slightly Educated
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Slightly Educated
Learner
"Why, of course. Do you happen to disagree? If so, why?"
I just think that rather than dismiss the posibility of having life, even a stressfull one is better than not existing
"Surely you recognize that most sex is not done in order to conceive?"
yes i realize that, but not taking into account the possibility of conception is almost as bad as being surprised when a kid does happen (sorry that doesnt really answer the question)
"And you find that wrong because...?"
The easier answer is, if you believe a fetus is a human, killing the child.
-Respectfully
Slightly Educated
I just think that rather than dismiss the posibility of having life, even a stressfull one is better than not existing
"Surely you recognize that most sex is not done in order to conceive?"
yes i realize that, but not taking into account the possibility of conception is almost as bad as being surprised when a kid does happen (sorry that doesnt really answer the question)
"And you find that wrong because...?"
The easier answer is, if you believe a fetus is a human, killing the child.
-Respectfully
Slightly Educated
Really? I must disagree, then.
Slightly Educated
Learner
Please explain
Not existing is simply that, not existing. It can't possibly compare unfavorably to a life of suffering.
Slightly Educated
Learner
is there any one person who has led a life of 100% suffering (dumb question)
If for one moment a person could feel happy in a life of suffering or even unhappiness, that one moment would be the greatest thing ever. People who are content most of the time usually dont get that (again dumb statment) but something to think about
If for one moment a person could feel happy in a life of suffering or even unhappiness, that one moment would be the greatest thing ever. People who are content most of the time usually dont get that (again dumb statment) but something to think about