Abortion

[Slightly Educated]

I appologise if I'm going in circles, X hasnt done anything at all except exist in a world where all x knows how to do is grow out of someone elses body and develop and he was put there by someone else (sorry for repetition).

Where did you learn your morality? or did you invent it on your own

Id also appriciate it if you would refrain from smack talking my religion or beliefs.
Thank you for your valuable time "I have way better stuff to do... "
-Respectfully
Slightly Educated

 

[blackout]

Well, it's unrealistic to try and force a woman to have a baby,
who is psycologically, physically, economically, situationally, emotionally
unable to have a baby without endangering herSelf
or her pre-existing children and family.

I mean what are you going to do?
Throw her in jail for aborting?
Are YOU prepared to be physically, financially and emotionally RESPONSIBLE
for the FALLOUT of MAKING a woman who CAN'T HANDLE having a baby,
have a baby?

Sure it would be NICE.... it would be WONDERFUL...
if all of these things were not issues.
But this is how it is.

It would be GREAT if impregnation had NOTHING at all to do with
the most PLEASURABLE shared intimacy known to man.
Then there would be no unplanned pregnancies.
If it were DIFFICULT AND UNCOMFORTABLE to concieve a child...
downright unpleasurable,
then I'm sure there would be no accidental pregnancies.
But again, that is not reality.

 

[Slightly Educated]

X cant not (sorry for double neg) use the environment in which he's been placed in i guess. But thats not a good reaon i spose

 

[Slightly Educated]

@ Ultra Violet
If i had sex (which i havent) i would except the "consiquences"
If people cant handle it they shouldnt have sex (ive said that before)

 

[blackout]

@ Ultra Violet
If i had sex (which i havent) i would except the "consiquences"
If people cant handle it they shouldnt have sex (ive said that before)

You are being unrealistic.

I do not believe you read my previous post
carefully and contemplatively.

Or perhaps you are just young
and unexperienced with life
and how brutally difficult it can be.

I don't know.

 

[Atomist]

I appologise if I'm going in circles, X hasnt done anything at all except exist in a world where all x knows how to do is grow out of someone elses body and develop and he was put there by someone else (sorry for repetition).

I'll try 1 last time since you keep repeating the same thing when I already explained why it's wrong
Premise 1) It is Y's fault that X is using Y's body against Y's will
Premise 2) No human can use another person's body against their will
Conclusion 1) from premise 1, X is using Y's body against Y's will
Conclusion 2) From premise 1 and conclusion 2 X can't use Y's body against Y's will
Conclusion 3) From conclusion 1 and 2 Y can stop X from using Y's body against Y's will
Explain the fallacy in that argument.

Where did you learn your morality? or did you invent it on your own

through a lot of introspection and reason and logic.

Id also appriciate it if you would refrain from smack talking my religion or beliefs.
Thank you for your valuable time "I have way better stuff to do... "

if your religion/belief can't take smack talk it's not worth believing in.

 

[Atomist]

You are being unrealistic.

I do not believe you read my previous post
carefully and contemplatively.

Or perhaps you are just young
and unexperienced with life
and how brutally difficult it can be.

I don't know.

Lol I'm offended I'm 20... age and experience has nothing to do with this. I am VERY inexperienced, young and have no idea how hard life is... I've been given a near ideal life and yet I still hold the position I hold through logic and reason.

Age and experience has nothing to do with being realistic.

 

[blackout]

Lol I'm offended I'm 20... age and experience has nothing to do with this. I am VERY inexperienced, young and have no idea how hard life is... I've been given a near ideal life and yet I still hold the position I hold through logic and reason.

Age and experience has nothing to do with being realistic.

I was addressing 'Slightly Educated',
and the comment I made
had EVERYTHING to do with the point I was making.

 

[Atomist]

I was addressing 'Slightly Educated',
and the comment I made
had EVERYTHING to do with the point I was making.

yeah I know I'm just having some fun... and to make a point... that age and experience has nothing to do with holding good or bad positions...

 

[blackout]

yeah I know I'm just having some fun... and to make a point... that age and experience has nothing to do with holding good or bad positions...

Age and experience certainly can have everything to do
with a person's ability/inability to realistically understand
certain deeper and pragmatic ramifications of a thing/concept/situation.

(no need to get offended or over extend my point)

I was not speaking of "good or bad" positions either.
Only realistic ones.
And also idealistic ones.

 

[Atomist]

Age and experience certainly can have everything to do
with a person's ability/inability to realistically understand
certain deeper and pragmatic ramifications of a thing/concept/situation.

(no need to get offended or over extend my point)

I was not speaking of "good or bad" positions either.
Only realistic ones.
And also idealistic ones.

Lol I was joking... but I disagree with you on the age and experience thing since I know a lot of young people that are very thoughtful and articulate and a lot of "experienced" people that are very idealistic.
But the implication is that realistic>idealistic imo... I'm definitely biased seeing how I try to be more realistic.

 

[blackout]

Lol I was joking... but I disagree with you on the age and experience thing since I know a lot of young people that are very thoughtful and articulate and a lot of "experienced" people that are very idealistic.
But the implication is that realistic>idealistic imo... I'm definitely biased seeing how I try to be more realistic.

You are over extending my point.

I knew it was coming.

 

[blackout]

You are over extending my point.

I knew it was coming.

Chalk it up to age and experience.

 

[blackout]

BTW...

this statement

Originally Posted by UltraViolet
Age and experience certainly can have everything to do
with a person's ability/inability to realistically understand
certain deeper and pragmatic ramifications of a thing/concept/situation.

can ALSO apply to older persons,
or person's of any certain generation
or any particular life experience.

Now you don't have to take it so personally.

 

[Atomist]

BTW...

this statement



can ALSO apply to older persons,
or person's of any certain generation
or any particular life experience.

Now you don't have to take it so personally.

Lol I didn't get offended I was just joking... but also making a point. I never get offended... i find it pretty stupid to get offended over trivial stuff like people disagreeing with me or even insulting me/my beliefs.

 

[LuisDantas]

I guess I'm saying that nobody has a worthless life,

If only!

and do they have clinical abortion in rowanda or countries like it? ( still only slightly educated )

Legally? I don't really know. Brazil has some fairly miserable areas, if it helps. Still, abortion is both forbidden and widely employed here. Why do you ask?

 

[blackout]

Lol I didn't get offended I was just joking... but also making a point. I never get offended... i find it pretty stupid to get offended over trivial stuff like people disagreeing with me or even insulting me/my beliefs.

(that last time) I said you didn't have to take it so personally.
ie (for you) 20=personal 45= other personal
(having nothing whatsoever to do with "offence")


I mySelf am closer to "other personal"
I'm playing with you now, you know.
Some people like it when I play with them. :flirt:
Some people don't.
Age and experience?
Go figure.

 

[LuisDantas]

You know I'm thinking of writing a short essay on why suffering is a meaningless concept.

I'll paraphrase the idea here:
Just because YOU find it suffering to live in another person's life it doesn't mean that they find their life a suffering. Like for example if you find it to be a suffering experience to live in africa, that doesn't mean that people born in africa finds it suffering. I mean after all that's only life they know... and they want to live it. I mean not only that you don't see people in Africa committing suicide because life is so hard.

I will agree that it is difficult to measure other people's suffering, but beyond that I fear I must emphatically disagree. Wanting to live is a very poor indicator of quality of life. Not attempting suicide is an even worse one.

Any society ought to aim for better than simply convincing its people not to attempt suicide.

I'm reminded of the allegory of the cave. Sometimes we find ourselves pitting the people looking at the shadows of the figures thinking that they're missing out on so much more in life and they're suffering... but really they're not... they're probably just as happy as we are.

Ah! Again, if only. Maybe you should spend some time among particularly poor or emperiled people. Or simply take a look at Peter Singer's latest book, "The Life You Can Save". I'm afraid I simply can't take your speculation at all seriously.

We can't judge life by our standards... because life is about the quantity not the quality.

Uh? This I most emphatically disagree with. Did you mistype?

(I still think it's immoral to force women to keep fetuses against their will)

Of course.

 

[LuisDantas]

somehow I knew someone would bring up hitler or someone who committed attrocities like that. I stand by my statment, im not saying what he did was a good thing. However, that being said I believe that every human has right to live good or evil.

The fetus didnt decide to hop into the womb and force the lady to do anything. The baby is there as a result of sex, (something I've said before) it didnt chose to be created or even happen.

And yet many women (and men) opt for abortion, thereby effectively saying that they are not capable of raising their own child in a proper way.

If they believe so, I for one have a very hard time doubting them, and I wouldn't want to be that child and yet live anyway.

And what is your oppinion on dog fighting? or animal rights in general?

Mine? Suffering should be avoided if it is reasonably possible to avoid it, which it quite often is.

 

[blackout]

As well, just because a person doesn't RECOGNIZE/understand/relate to the suffering of others,
doesn't mean it isn't so, or make it any less real.