Abortion

[McBell]

You can play word games all you like, but it does not change the fact that abortion = murdering an unborn child.

Except that it is NOT a fact that all abortions = murdering a fetus.

 

[McBell]

I know what both murder and viable mean.

Thank you for coming clean about your intentional dishonesty.

And you're getting murdered in this debate, and you have no viable chance of winning this debate.

Your continued dishonesty is doing nothing to help your credibility.

 

[Curious George]

I know what both murder and viable mean.

And you're getting murdered in this debate, and you have no viable chance of winning this debate.

I think he has already won.

 

[DallasApple]

I don't think what your getting is "justified murder" is an OXYMORON.

its like saying a "legal crime".

It cant be legal and illegal at the same time.

 

[Curious George]

You can play word games all you like, but it does not change the fact that abortion = murdering an unborn child.

So at what point is killing living cells=murder?

 

[DallasApple]

How about justified rape?

That makes as much sense as justified murder.

 

[maninthewilderness]

And you're getting murdered in this debate, and you have no viable chance of winning this debate.

Your continued dishonesty is doing nothing to help your credibility.

That was said rather tongue-in-cheek.
The truth is when it comes to abortion, no one wins.
Especially the child.

 

[McBell]

That was said rather tongue-in-cheek.
The truth is when it comes to abortion, no one wins.
Especially the child.

Please be so kind as to define "win".

thank you.

 

[Curious George]

That was said rather tongue-in-cheek.
The truth is when it comes to abortion, no one wins.
Especially the child.

Many would question whether there is a child or not before any point of viability. How can you separate a unborn fetus and other cells, tissue, or organs? And at what point is there a difference?

 

[Falvlun]

Raping someone is not a "questionable lifestyle choice".
It is a crime.

And I don't condone abortion for rape, but I think the court system might consider it a justified murder.

You seem to be changing your story. You initially came in here at post 70 stating this, in regards to allowing an exception for rape:

Not arbitrary at all...

A raped person did not choose to engage in sexual intercourse.

This indicates that you believe that the manner in which a fetus is created is a good way to distinguish whether it is okay to abort it or not.

But this runs into grave problems if it is your belief that a fetus is a child with full rights of personhood, and that killing one is equatable to murder.

A fetus created through rape would be just as much a child as any other fetus.

Thus, if it is your position that a fetus is a child, then killing it due to the crimes of the father (rape) could never be justifiable, just like it would not be justifiable to kill any other child due to the crimes of its parents.

You can play word games all you like, but it does not change the fact that abortion = murdering an unborn child.

You are the only one playing word games.

 

[Alceste]

I am a veteran of the war in Iraq.
And yes, I did murder others.
I'm not so foolish as to think saying that I "killed" them makes it any different.
That's just political correctness BS.

So, your preferred method of "murdering people" is ok, but mine is not. Is it just the fact that I don't have a penis that makes my method immoral, or do the boobs factor into it?

 

[DallasApple]

So, your preferred method of "murdering people" is ok, but mine is not. Is it just the fact that I don't have a penis that makes my method immoral, or do the boobs factor into it?

I think he should be called a murderer/ actually a serial killer if he killed multiple people over a span of time ..intending on murdering more /arrested and put in prison.

 

[maninthewilderness]

I believe that abortion is murder.

You guys believe that it is not murder and that it is a woman's right to kill her unborn child.

And nothing any one can say is going to change our minds on the matter.


There is no reason to continue this "debate".

 

[DallasApple]

I believe that abortion is murder.

You also believe that our combat soldiers are murderers too.So you lost all credibility with me .Completely.

 

[maninthewilderness]

You also believe that our combat soldiers are murderers too.So you lost all credibility with me .Completely.

No, you didn't read what I said.
You only saw what you wanted to see.


I agreed with you that I was a murderer.

I never said that all soldiers are murderers.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I believe that abortion is murder.

You guys believe that it is not murder and that it is a woman's right to kill her unborn child.

And nothing any one can say is going to change our minds on the matter.


There is no reason to continue this "debate".

Probably not.

You argued that murder (or at least what you consider to be murder) should be allowed. I'm not sure I can reason with you.

 

[Falvlun]

I believe that abortion is murder.

You guys believe that it is not murder and that it is a woman's right to kill her unborn child.

And nothing any one can say is going to change our minds on the matter.


There is no reason to continue this "debate".

I'm still curious as to whether you think it is justifiable to murder a fetus that is the result of rape, and if so, what that justification could possibly be. I'm also curious if you have understood the issue with the previous justification you have given, namely, that since a woman is not responsible for creating a fetus from rape, she can therefore be permitted to kill it.

(Note: My position does not put me in the same moral quandary as yours does, since I do not believe that a fetus is a child with full rights of personhood.)

 

[DallasApple]

No, you didn't read what I said.
You only saw what you wanted to see.


I agreed with you that I was a murderer.

I never said that all soldiers are murderers.

I said "a combat soldier".

 

[McBell]

I believe that abortion is murder.

You guys believe that it is not murder and that it is a woman's right to kill her unborn child.

And nothing any one can say is going to change our minds on the matter.


There is no reason to continue this "debate".

Your blatant misuse of words in order to add emotional appeal to your "argument" does nothing to help your "argument" to those outside your choir.

 

[Koldo]

In favor of abortion up to 20-24 week stage. After that there must be a medical reason or special circumstances reason to abort.

Sadly I was unable to cast a vote due to the narrowness of the choices.

Same here. :yes: