Abortion

[McBell]

I don't know the legal definition of manslaughter.

that's ok, your posts indicate you do not know the definition of murder either.

But we are talking about abortion.
Where a pregnant woman goes and actively seeks out someone to kill her otherwise viable unborn child.
Not even remotely in the same ballpark as a miscarriage.
This is a very weak ploy.

here you indicate you do not know what the word "viable" means.

 

[Curious George]

I don't know the legal definition of manslaughter.

I suppose if the woman purposefully did something to cause the miscarriage, then maybe.

But we are talking about abortion.
Where a pregnant woman goes and actively seeks out someone to kill her otherwise viable unborn child.
Not even remotely in the same ballpark as a miscarriage.
This is a very weak ploy.

NC does not define manslaughter statutorily so they use the common law definition:

the unintentional killing of a human being without malice resulting from (2):
1. the commission of an unlawful act that is not a felony.
OR
2. an act done in an unlawful or culpable negligent way, if death was a foreseeable outcome.

But, deaths are investigated. Consequently, advocating that the death of an unborn child is a potential murder/manslaughter would mean that police should investigate the death of murder/manslaughter. Similarly, if a family member died and I tossed the body in the garbage or flushed them down the toilet, I could be charged with a number of other crimes i.e. corpse abuse, destruction of evidence, and hindering a police investigations.

While I thoroughly enjoy the legal implications of treating an unborn fetus as a "life," I also like to contemplate the moral ramifications.

If you had a friend that had a medical abortion, would you remain their friend?

If you had a friend who drowned their six year old in the tub, would you remain their friend?

I, and most people, note a difference here. Sure you may dislike the fact that someone had an abortion, you may even find their choice morally reprehensible, but is it really on the same level as drowning their six year old?

 

[Falvlun]

No, not "punishing the woman for having sex", merely refusing to allow the murder of a child (albeit an unborn child) simply because the woman made questionable lifestyle choices.

How anyone can justify murdering a child simply because the woman gambled on the chance of pregnancy, and lost, is beyond me.

But you condone the murder of a child if the father made questionable lifestyle choices? (Like choosing to rape someone?)

I don't see how anyone can justify murdering a child for the crime of the parents.

 

[maninthewilderness]

But you condone the murder of a child if the father made questionable lifestyle choices? (Like choosing to rape someone?)

Raping someone is not a "questionable lifestyle choice".
It is a crime.

And I don't condone abortion for rape, but I think the court system might consider it a justified murder.

 

[maninthewilderness]

I, and most people, note a difference here. Sure you may dislike the fact that someone had an abortion, you may even find their choice morally reprehensible, but is it really on the same level as drowning their six year old?

Yes, they are the same.

And I would not remain friends with either one.

 

[DallasApple]

justified murder.

There is no such a thing as "justifiable murder".

 

[maninthewilderness]

that's ok, your posts indicate you do not know the definition of murder either.

here you indicate you do not know what the word "viable" means.

Again, if you can't debate the message, attack the messenger.

It's a tired old ploy frequently used by those who can't justify their position on a matter.
It's on the same childish level of saying "Oh yeah? Well you're a poo poo head!".

 

[maninthewilderness]

There is no such a thing as "justifiable murder".

That may be your opinion, but the world does not agree with you.

 

[DallasApple]

If you are talking to a war veteran a combat soldier ..you would not say "how many people did you murder in combat".(assuming they murdered no one..but did in fact kill )

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That may be your opinion, but the world does not agree with you.

I think you're confusing the terms "murder" and "homicide". Homicide is the deliberate killing of another person, and this can be justified or unjustified.

Murder is criminal homicide.

 

[DallasApple]

That may be your opinion, but the world does not agree with you.

Killing is not synonymous with murder.Its not "I murdered someone in self defense..its I killed someone in self defense".

So I don't know what you mean by 'the world".Murder is an illegal killing.Killing someone in self defense is not illegal therefore not murder.

 

[maninthewilderness]

If you are talking to a war veteran a combat soldier ..you would not say "how many people did you murder in combat".(assuming they murdered no one..but did in fact kill )

I am a veteran of the war in Iraq.
And yes, I did murder others.
I'm not so foolish as to think saying that I "killed" them makes it any different.
That's just political correctness BS.

 

[DallasApple]

Murder is criminal homicide.

Right there is justifiable homocide.But not justifiable murder.

 

[DallasApple]

And yes, I did murder others.

Then you should have been charged with murder.You are a criminal if you murdered anyone .Murder is illegal.

 

[maninthewilderness]

Right there is justifiable homocide.But not justifiable murder.

You can play word games all you like, but it does not change the fact that abortion = murdering an unborn child.

 

[maninthewilderness]

Then you should have been charged with murder.You are a criminal if you murdered anyone .Murder is illegal.

I agree.

It is something I will live with for the rest of my days.

 

[DallasApple]

I'm not so foolish as to think saying that I "killed" them makes it any different.
That's just political correctness BS.

No its not just PC. If someone breaks in my house and is threatening me harm..and I shoot them to protect myself I am not a 'murderer" ..I am not the "same' as if that person had broken in my house and killed me in the process of a robbery of just for the thrill of killing me or for some sort of revenge etc...They would be a murderer..I would have killed in self defense..there is a clear and obvious difference.And our laws back up my statements.

 

[McBell]

Again, if you can't debate the message, attack the messenger.

It's a tired old ploy frequently used by those who can't justify their position on a matter.
It's on the same childish level of saying "Oh yeah? Well you're a poo poo head!".

I am attacking the message.

The message is inconsistent with the definitions of the words used.
You would prefer to falsley accuse me of attacking you instead of addressing the the fact that your message is nothing more than a sad attempt at appeal to emotion which relies heavily on not knowing the definitions of the words used.


So, are you capable of addressing what I said, or do you prefer your sad attempt at playing the martyr?

 

[DallasApple]

I agree.

It is something I will live with for the rest of my days.

Then why don't you do the right thing and turn yourself in to authorities and confess and do time for your crimes?

 

[maninthewilderness]

I am attacking the message.

The message is inconsistent with the definitions of the words used.
You would prefer to falsley accuse me of attacking you instead of addressing the the fact that your message is nothing more than a sad attempt at appeal to emotion which relies heavily on not knowing the definitions of the words used.


So, are you capable of addressing what I said, or do you prefer your sad attempt at playing the martyr?

I know what both murder and viable mean.

And you're getting murdered in this debate, and you have no viable chance of winning this debate.