Abortion

[Marisa]

And somehow some mothers with those concerns or worries you listed still decide to go through and have the baby instead, somehow they make it anyway. And no doubt it is an extremely rare case (if any) where six months after the child's birth the woman would look at her baby and say “I wish I had aborted you.” Gratitude, not regret.

Clearly, you missed the intent of the information I posted. Do not make the mistake of assuming that I would deny anyone the choice to keep the pregnancy and child. I am pro choice, not anti choice.

 

[leibowde84]

And somehow some mothers with those concerns or worries you listed still decide to go through and have the baby instead, somehow they make it anyway.
And no doubt it is an extremely rare case (if any) where six months after the child's birth the woman would look at her baby and say “I wish I had aborted you.” Gratitude, not regret.

That is irelevant. We are talking about the availability of a choice based on a woman's bodily autonomy.

 

[thau]

Clearly, you missed the intent of the information I posted. Do not make the mistake of assuming that I would deny anyone the choice to keep the pregnancy and child. I am pro choice, not anti choice.

My intent is to point out why abortion is wrong. The fact all mothers who struggled with this but chose not to have the abortion are grateful for not having done so, proves my point.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Religion is the main reason most anti-choicers assume the position they do. To say otherwise strikes me as either naive or dishonest.

 

[Revoltingest]

"Pro-abortion" could be construed as being in favour of abortion generally, including forced abortion.

Forced abortion?
That would be an unlikely inference.

It could also be construed to mean that making abortion available is the only goal; "pro-choice" better captures the idea that abortion should be just one of a spectrum of available options. When abortion is legal but pregnancy leave is crappy, "pro-abortion" is done but "pro-choice" is just getting started.

That's over-thinking the phrase.....quibbling...yes, QUIBBLING I say!.
I took a survey.....everyone agreed that "pro-abortion" means "pro-choice".

But if we're to be mischievous.....
"Pro-choice" doesn't even say what the choices are.

 

[Marisa]

My intent is to point out why abortion is wrong. The fact all mothers who struggled with this but chose not to have the abortion are grateful for not having done so, proves my point.

Your point is moot in light of the fact that others choose differently. You are welcome to your opinion and I do not begrudge you for it. But your opinion does not constitute any hard and fast moral fact for anyone but you.

 

[Thana]

Religion is the main reason most anti-choicers assume the position they do. To say otherwise strikes me as either naive or dishonest.

... Not really. Just as murder is more about morality I believe it's the same with Abortion, Especially since there's nothing specific in any religion (that I know of) condemning it.

 

[Debater Slayer]

... Not really. Just as murder is more about morality I believe it's the same with Abortion, Especially since there's nothing specific in any religion (that I know of) condemning it.

Are you really comparing abortion to murder? That would actually be worse than objecting to it based on religious beliefs.

 

[Thana]

Are you really comparing abortion to murder? That would actually be worse than objecting to it based on religious beliefs.

No, Although I'm sure there are plenty out there who do compare abortion to murder.
My point was that abortion is a moral choice, not a religious one.
Nowhere in any religion that I know have I heard any commands or laws or even suggestions about being either Pro or Anti-Abortion.

 

[Debater Slayer]

No, Although I'm sure there are plenty out there who do compare abortion to murder.

And they are objectively wrong, because a fetus isn't viable before a certain point that can be determined medically.

My point was that abortion is a moral choice, not a religious one.
Nowhere in any religion that I know have I heard any commands or laws or even suggestions about being either Pro or Anti-Abortion.

Religion and morality overlap quite often. At least in mainstream Islamic thought, abortion is viewed as a sin (except in cases where the mother's life would be put at risk without abortion) because fetuses supposedly have souls from the moment of conception.

 

[Thana]

Religion and morality overlap quite often. At least in mainstream Islamic thought, abortion is viewed as a sin (except in cases where the mother's life would be put at risk without abortion) because fetuses supposedly have souls from the moment of conception.

I didn't know that about Islam, but that doesn't really change what I said.

 

[Marisa]

... Not really. Just as murder is more about morality I believe it's the same with Abortion, Especially since there's nothing specific in any religion (that I know of) condemning it.

There is a secular anti abortion movement. Their arguments are as uncompelling as the religious arguments.

 

[thau]

And they are objectively wrong, because a fetus isn't viable before a certain point that can be determined medically.

And when the fetus passes "that certain point" how does that alter your views? Just because this aborted child can survive outside the womb, and some do on the abortion table, does not mean murder to you.

275 medical centers perform abortions after 20 weeks, a scientifically shown to be a viable age. 300 Doctors and 275 Abortion Clinics Do Abortions After 20 Weeks, Many After 24 Weeks | LifeNews.com

A mother can legally have her unborn child in its ninth month and she is innocent of any crime. If she waited a week longer and put the newborn in a dumpster she is vilified by some "moral" society. Illogical to the extreme.

 

[Thana]

And when the fetus passes "that certain point" how does that alter your views? Just because this aborted child can survive outside the womb, and some do on the abortion table, does not mean murder to you.

275 medical centers perform abortions after 20 weeks, a scientifically shown to be a viable age. 300 Doctors and 275 Abortion Clinics Do Abortions After 20 Weeks, Many After 24 Weeks | LifeNews.com

A mother can legally have her unborn child in its ninth month and she is innocent of any crime. If she waited a week longer and put the newborn in a dumpster she is vilified by some "moral" society. Illogical to the extreme.

Because it's her body and she should have every right over it.

 

[thau]

Because it's her body and she should have every right over it.

Then don't fine me $5,000 the next time I by chance destroy an eagle's egg.

 

[leibowde84]

Then don't fine me $5,000 the next time I by chance destroy an eagle's egg.

What does that have to do with anything? You aren't an eagle, and, even if you were, your bodily autonomy wouldn't be at issue as the egg of an eagle is not developing inside the eagle at that point.

 

[McBell]

Then don't fine me $5,000 the next time I by chance destroy an eagle's egg.

interesting.
So you do not know the difference between humans and eagles?

Rather difficult to take you seriously now.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Then don't fine me $5,000 the next time I by chance destroy an eagle's egg.

Are you an eagle that has an egg?

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Becoming pregnant on accident and wanting an abortion is the ultimate act of irresponsibility.

Abortion for complications and medical reasons though is understandable.

As far as the religious over tones abortion was used just as eugenics throughout the ages.

No it's not, birth control is still very imperfect. Now if science would create perfect birth control, I'd agree with you.

 

[thau]

What does that have to do with anything? You aren't an eagle, and, even if you were, your bodily autonomy wouldn't be at issue as the egg of an eagle is not developing inside the eagle at that point.

interesting.
So you do not know the difference between humans and eagles?
Rather difficult to take you seriously now.

Are you an eagle that has an egg?

To the three of you so charmed by my naivete --

The point being –
This modern society who considers themselves to be so compassionate puts greater value on an unborn eagle than it does on child in the womb. Far more than 5,000 late term abortion babies a year are killed that could easily have lived outside the womb. Some alive on the abortion table after removed are then killed. And that is considered a harmless act by our nation, yet step on a bird egg and it’s a major crime. It’s just as horrifying as other 20th century atrocities, but I suppose our refined appearances masks it so well.

Still no one can justify a 9 month old “fetus” murdered and it’s all good, and a one day old newborn in a dumpster and that poor mother is hated by the TV public and gets a year in jail. I’m sure God agrees with all this.